Of Bikers, Guns and Clothing

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April 26, 2012 | By: Lowell Anderson

 

Recently we made some internal changes here at J&P Cycles, and as a result, some of our job responsibilities got shuffled around. I used to handle a lot of the hard parts that you would find in the J&P catalog — things like handlebars, foot controls, suspensions and such. But with the new changes, I was asked to start handling the clothing end of our business. In a past life I used to oversee a clothing line, so I’m no stranger to this particular segment of our industry. Sure, the names are different, but the basis of the business remains the same.

One of the first things I wanted to do was go through all the different brands we carry and become familiar with the functions and features each brand has to offer. We carry a ton of different clothing items here at J&P, so this task took some time.

One thing I kept running across was the conceal carry holsters that accessorize many of the motorcycle jackets and vests that we carry. This has been a hot topic over the past few years, what with a number of states here in the U.S. making it easier for citizens to conceal carry. Like it or not, there are a lot of average Joes (and Josephines) out there packing heat. And I find it interesting that many of the leather clothing manufacturers have been quick to accommodate these folks’ needs concerning carrying their licensed firearms. They’re not a bit shy about using the new laws as a marketing tool to sell this specialized clothing.

There are even some companies out there marketing non-leather clothing items that can accommodate a firearm. The Packin Tee, for instance, appears to be a standard T-shirt, but it can conceal a firearm and a spare magazine. That’s no easy task.

Personally, I’m a firm believer in the right to carry if you so choose. I’ve been the victim of a crime in the past and have had someone else’s firearm pushed against my forehead for a 45-minute ordeal that I will never forget. That feeling of complete and utter helplessness is something I can’t begin to describe. As a result, I’m a big fan of the Second Amendment and the right to carry protection for yourself and your family. That being said, in my opinion, the whole basis about being free is having the right to choose. To me, that is the definition of freedom.

Carrying a concealed weapon on your person, however, is a very serious decision. The laws concerning this issue are pretty stiff, and if you do decide to carry, you’d better be well versed on the gun laws in your state . And for goodness sakes, if you’re planning to drink alcohol at any point during your day, leave your firearms at home. But if you have your endorsement and you’ve weighed all the options, the decision is yours and yours alone. And whatever it is you decide, stay safe out there!

Comments (57)

I have no problem with J & P offering firearm friendly clothing- if you do, then don’t buy the stuff.

Two things, first I need to trade down a little, my model 29 limited 6″ 44 mag S&W makes me go round in circles when I take it with me for a ride, I’m looking for a nice .40.

Second thing, Colorado is going to, if they haven’t already, make it the law that anyone who is legal to own a handgun can carry it concealed without a CCP. In light of the legal opinion that the 2nd Amendment gives everyone the right, to then only allow those with a permit to carry is a violation of equal protection and rights under the law. Damn good opinion, and since it is Constitution based it will be controlling state wide.

Ride safe and don’t laugh at the guy going round in circles, he might be armed.

TheGrey

Look into a Glock Model 23. Light, small and easy to conceal. And you get 13 rounds of .40 s&w. When loaded with Hornady TAP ammo, more than adequate.

Thank you for supporting the 2nd Amendment. I am now a gold member and will support you as you have supported me. I have carried for about 20 years and never drew my sidearm, I have avoided the wrong side of town and the trouble spots. I know too many people who have been mugged or car jacked to not try to protect myself and my family.

I also would like to know if you have vests or shirts that have a way to carry a concealed weapon and I do have a CC permit for the State of Iowa

Carry or don’t carry, it doesn’t matter to me. But if you do happen to put a cap in someone’s behind in “self defense”, I hope you have a good lawyer.

Peace out

In Texas, concealed means just that, you can carry it any way you want as long as it is hidden from sight. Printing and outline of gun thru clothing is not illegal. That is not mentioned in the Penal Code’s, only the term ” brandishing ” is addressed, thats like intentionally showing it or waveing it around like an idiot. Murphy’s Law applies @ Weiiler, it’s part of survival, bad things always happen to good people.

I learned early on as a newbie lawyer doing appointed legal defense that people die if they don’t have a gun. If you have a firearm, you might have a chance if the killer misses the first shot.

Nice article-Legally carry and have always just stuck it in an inside pocket of my jacket- It’s not for settling arguments, it’s for protection- in fact, in over 20 years I only pulled it once- and that was on a Lynx stalking us at a remote camp site (and No, I didn’t shoot).
As for leaving your gun behind if you planning on drinking – leave the bike behind as well!

Sounds like many have ?? about how to carry and conceal. Would recommend the following company.
Coronadoleather.com
Check the Waist Pacs/Stealth Pacs. Been carrying over 25 yrs with a stealth pac.

I will continue to be a customer of J&P cycles because its a 2nd ammendment company. We need support all companies that stand behind all the amendments and the Consitution of the USA whether its the fad or not.

OMG! Are you people nuts??? After reading most comments, it seems you carry a gun “just in case”, just in case of what world war 3?? Here’s an idea, no one carry’s one, and no one gets hurt! It’s pretty sad that a motorcycle company uses this to sell products. Ive been ridding all over and have never run into problems. A few close calls, but nothing a gun would of solved. Shame on J and P for stooping so low to improve there bottom line!

Hey Weiiler: What fantasy world are you living in? You have been lucky. The fact is the more law abiding
people that own guns the less crime and fewer victims, its a FACT! The police do not prevent crime, they write reports and call the morg.
Good luck out there.

Sometimes I think America IS a fantasy world. In Canada, as an example, there are more law-abiding people who do NOT own guns, and yet there is still less crime and fewer victims. That’s a real fact! As David said, Good luck our there.

Massad F. Ayoob, his book ‘In The Gravest Extreme’.
“It’s better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6″

Read what a guy (internationally-known firearms and self-defense instructor) has to say that knows what he’s talking about, instead of posting lame opinions.

Keep up the good work J&P, you guys ROCK!!!

Wow… What a great discussion on the second amendment and the right to carry. I live in the Communist State of Illinois and we hope that one day we can join the rest of the FREE world. As far as Rosie, you need to seek treatment at a mental health facility.
It’s great to see a company take a bold stand on the right to carry and the second amendment. Thank you for not doing the PC approach of putting up “No guns allowed” signs and bashing law-abiding citizens for wanting to protect their families, and their property.

I’m retired military, and teach CCW classes in Al. After all the normal safety, concealment, marksmanship, and legalities, I teach this: If you do draw your weapon, in defense of self or property, and you fire hitting your attacker. If he/she lives or dies be prepared to spend at least $15,000 in legal fees in a civil suit. In our litigious society you will more than likely be sued for “Wrongful Death”.Personally, if it’s my or my families lives or property the assailant will die… And I know a really good Lawyer. Food for thought though, and should be a part of your decision process

My 2 cents… There are those that think 1911′s in 45acp are the Bees Knees!!!! ever try to carry a full size concealed??? Go to http://www.theholsterstore.net/ . I don’t think you will be disappointed!!!! IMO!!!!

That’s exactly why I carry a 3.5″ officer’s model 1911A1. Easier to carry, and still has 7 in the mag.

I have legally carried concealed since 1999 and I don’t leave home without my gun. I ride my Harley year round and I always carry my gun with me. If guns are not allowed on a property, I stay off that property. I feel wearing a gun open carry is a good way to be the first target. Be responsible and safe out in this world.

Thank you for supporting a fundamental human right, of self protection. Remember the Constitution is not to list our rights but rather remind the government what its not supposed to mess with.
ALL CITIZENS should have the freedom of choice just as they have the freedom of speech and to move about where every and however they want. So remember that to give up any freedom for the sake of public safety means you never had that freedom to begin with. And what is to stop at just one freedom.

Is your concealed carry wear labeled as such in your catalog?

Is yur concealed carry wear labeled as such in your catalog?

We should ALL be allowed to carry regardless of our history if we walk/drive/ride or whatever! I prefer exposed, seen out in the open, (like strapped to your hip). It has a way of keeping things real and although not scientifically proven, I think cuts down on crime and keeps things honest! Upon entering this establishment you will be checked for weapons if one isn’t found one will be provided for your safety!!!

I had no idea you carried clothes, nevermind concealed carry provisions. I’ve always shopped for motorcycle parts and accessories. I will certainly look into the concealed carry stuff as this is something very much of interest to me.

yup

people with CCW’s are the good guys they have been checked out .
i always travel with at least one gun i pass by people like rosie all the time and they never know im armed .
they also never realise that i could be the guy that saves them from some nut case .

Living in the great state of NY, you just can’t carry without a permit. I have a permit but not to carry but “to and from range” only. Sorta a carry permit but try to explain to the police why you’re riding around on a bike with no firing range equipment but just the .357.

I believe Illinois is the only state that will not let it’s citizens carry legaly unless they are a cop or some type or public servant… and then I’m not too sure. Every other state makes it easier and some very easy to get a CCP and I for one fear getting caught carrying without a permit like I used too. If caught with a loaded weppon without a permit in this state will cost you a load of cash at the least or the right to legally to own a wepon again. When I travel I carry only to protect me and mine, and hope the day never comes that I have to use it. God Bless America, and hope Illinois can turn this permit issue around.

The People’s Republic of Maryland and the Dictatorship of Columbia (Washington DC) will not allow concealed carry. NYC is pretty close to the same.

Oh, I know they will tell you that concealed carry permits exist but they don’t issue them to anyone who is a member of the general public. No open carry, no concealed carry. UnAmerican.

You guys keep doing what your doing. I think it’s great that JP Cycles takes a stand for our rights as Americans. My first harley was an old rigid shovel and I still ride a my shovel rain or shine. My feeling is a pistol in one pocket and wrench in the other you can’t go wrong. Thanks again.

Too bad the JP online catalog does not provide a filter when searching jackets for pistol pocket.

This is awesome. I have my CCW in California. But trying to find a comfortable way to carry and keep it concealed as well as accessable is always a challenge. Thank you for the interest in all of our well-being while we are riding!

I totally suppport the second amendment and the right to carry. I am a biker and professional over the age of 60 and abide by the law and carry every place that is legal. Thanks for supporting – its your right to protect.

Been considering for awhile….ignorant about size, type and caliber? Not as physically capable as I use to be! Help?

thanks for supporting our 2nd amendment rights.
I order from you guys all the time, have had nothing but good to say about you and your products.
now I have something else good to say about you.
I’m a life time memeber of the NRA and a life long bike rider. I applaud you coming out and taking a stand on concealed carry. I have a concealed carry permit, and have ridden and carried for years. I am always looking for jackets and vests that have holsters built in. thanks again, good job.

Rosie if that’s the reason you think people carry then you are completely ignorant and need to read up on this subject. That is if you are willing to put your biased aside and read the facts. Which I doubt you are.

People who carry legally do so for protection not retaliation. There are thousands of riders out there carrying concealed weapons legally. Probably just as many carrying non-legally. How often have you read about the scenario you wrote about happening and if you’ve ever read about or seen it how many of those were legally carried weapons?

skiddz… you’re right on! The CCL is to allow one to carry LEGALLY for PROTECTION, in those states that have CCL’s.
No one should be carrying in order to retaliate against someone who MAY have slighted a rider by showing poor judgment in his driving skills. Clearly, there are people on these comments who would kill someone at the slightest provocation, without considering any circumstances. “You pi**ed me off, I kill you!”
Our American gun laws were never, ever intended for that! That is not “standing your ground” Rosie.

I am a biker who enjoys long lonely rides in the back roads. I have a past that still haunts me at times, but I take no crap from those who dish it. Won’t tell you my methods…..
I want to remind the followers of the laws and the CCL, that what is lawful in one state is not always the same in the next state. My Texan Brother got in a big mess in Chicago, for a lawfully licensed and permitted weapon, in Texas, but not in Illinois.

I’ve been carrying for years, and traveling alone across the USA.. and have been glad to be able to keep a firearm handy just in case,
Traveling some of the desolate backroads of the USA, it just gives a level of comfort that I know I can protect myself from some of the crazy’s out there.
At the same time, I hope and pray that I never have to point my firearm at another human being.

Be careful tho when you cross State lines. Unless you have a FFL you can get in a LOT of trouble even with a carry permit. I drove over the road for a number of years & permit or not truck drivers are NOT allowed to carry. I used to carry a LOT of different weapons when I drove but never a gun cause I just didn’t want to take a chance. I also never knew when they might send me to Canada. (I REFUSED to go to Mexico!!!)

It is every Law Abiding Americans Right to Own & Carry a Firearm first & foremost.A Biker & Professional over 50 years old, a Veteran, and a Texan I have and always will carry whether it’s Legal or not.I refuse to be a Victim of our Society’s useless Laws.A Friend in Texas who was going on a fishing trip with his kids and wife in Truck with the Boat in tow; was able to turn the tables on the Assailant when his Family became the target for a Drive By; Luckly only his truck and the wife did catch one in the butt before J.D. got her to hand him the pistol from the floorboard (after the 3rd shot).J.D. didn’t have a C.C.L.,and he did have a record;however he was able to return fire, killing the Assailant before his Two Sons in back of truck were shot.In Texas it was legal to ride your Motorcycle with a Shotgun strapped to your handlebars,not sure if it still is or not. My thoughts concerning this ad about targeting Bikers is that just to level the playing field all Motorcyclest should be allowed to strap a 45 on their hip and then see if the Public doesn’t show us a little more respect the next time they decide to pass you a little to close, or Target you for fun.As for your clothing line I support your decision to offer it and hope its of good quality, I’m sure you will find a desirable market along with your parts.

Here, here! I too have riden across 27 states. An i am convinced that anyone and everyone should carry. I don’t believe we should need CCW’s. We have a constitutional right already! Besides, i prefer it is in the open where everyone can see it when riding. Actually, i prefer wearing it out in the open most all the time. The states with the best guns laws are NM, AR, UT, ID, CO, NV. IMO and i speak from experience! Been there, rode carrying!

Hey, that’s a great idea! I;m gonna start carrying my .357 around so I can shoot the next bastard cage driver who cuts me off! Much better….more final than my middle finger…right? Hell, you can’t hurt anyone with your middle finger!

Well, if your that crazy, it won’t be long before your in prison. Actually, if you fly off the handle that easily, chances are damn good you already have a record that excludes you from a permit. But hey, don’t let me spoil your fun, criminals are not concerned with the law anyway.

Rosie; do not carry a weapon if that is your mindset!! you sound like like you need professional help! A gun is not a cure for bad driving! Awareness of your surroundings is a much better defense! Your road rage answer is wrong and gives anti gun groups fuel! Please take a rider safety course, it will improve your outlook. have a nice day!

I have to absolutely agree with Derek and Cole, so Rosie, calm down and take your pills! I also have to agree on our right to carry ‘heat’, as some of you have said. I am a Vietnam vet and carry my .45 Colt pistol. Haven’t had a beer in more than 19 years. Not drinking alcohol keeps your head cool and see everything in the right perspective!

Settle down Rosie. You are not allowed to go around shooting people just because they are stuid

I know you. Your the poster child for the Brady bill. Wow, the ignorance of this comment is without equal. I guess your trying to say since your a hothead that flips people off, you’d kill them if you carried your gun? Well, unless you already own it illegally, what’s stopping you now? I mean murder already gets you life in prison or the death penalty so who cares about a pitiful lesser felony of unlawful concealed carry. Or, do you not carry because you aren’t allowed to do so, and since you follow the law, I doubt you’d really kill someone anyway? Getting the point yet!

Rosie,
Personally I don’t know any gun owner/carrier who has the mindset you seem to have concerning the proper use of firearm. In your case I would ask you to please not pack! Lighten up girl.

I may be blinded by my own sense of humor but it reads more like irony (or sarcasm) to me

Right on dude. Gun owners and CCW holders are mainstream America. Thanks for supporting the 2nd amendment. I look forward to seeing more options for us in the future. I personally would love to see a quality leather vest that could accommodate some “safety gear” for us who carry. I have seen some that are cheaply made or are lacking in true style and ease of access. Keep the shiny side up and ride hard brother.

There are those of us who ride alone most of the time… getting lost in my thoughts on a back country road on my old shovel head is one of life’s little pleasures. As I have a carry / conceal permit, I always feel better about these long lost road trips… thanks for thinking about those of us who are into the freedom of the road along with our basic freedoms as Americans.

I totally agree that is your everyone’s right to decide to carry a gun or not. I have one with me at all times or at least in my vehicle. I believe in the stand your ground law also. It is our God given right to bear arms but with that comes responsibility. I do like the new clothing line you have to offer. Thanks to J & P for keeping up with the times and supplying bikers with all of our needs.

I’ve got no truck with the right to carry. What bugs me is the so-called God-given right. It wasn’t God, it was the nation’s founding fathers who saw a need to keep government in check by allowing the citizens to be armed (the militia part, don’t ya know) Let’s keep God out of any discussion of our right to carry arms. The last thing we need are more religionizers on bikes.

I’d rather keep GOD in the middle of EVERYTHING I do, thank you very much. I’ve always look to GOD for direction – as did our founding fathers (don’t ya know)…

Jok3r,
I just hope GOD can get yer ass out of trouble when a cop who has a hard on for bikers decides to lock yer ass up on BS charges. And our founding fathers didn’t always look to God NOR did they have the BS we have today!!! Yes they had other things to deal with but it was not the same.

Someone pass Shaggy a baggy so he can roll Scooby a dooby!!! I have to agree tho. The Right to Bear Arms was NOT written by God but rather our fore father’s who are rolling in their graves with the way things are going in this Country. There are enough “religious freaks” running around “destroying” our Country we DON’T need them riding bikes & trying to wreck that too!

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