PJD Wins, Sucking the Soul Out of Bike Building

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December 7, 2011 | By: Patrick Garvin

So I sat through the finale of the Discovery Channel’s latest bike build-off last night and then started bumping around the Internet to read comments fueled by the show. Believe me when I say I’m glad this well-promoted televised event prompted a lot of buzz, because our industry needs a shot in the arm like this.

But from the beginning, I had a bad feeling that Paul Junior would win — not because he had the best bike, but because of what being a “biker” has become. I also knew Jesse James didn’t have a chance. Jessie pulled no punches and he made no excuses. He said what he thought and he cared not a lick what other people thought of him. That kind of honesty is rare in today’s environment. This competition was like pitting Justin Bieber against Led Zeppelin in an American Idol show. Like I said, Jesse never had a chance to win this.

If you’ve paid any attention at all to what I’ve written here over the years, you probably know what I think about the bikes, but I’m gonna tell you anyway. Paul Senior built something that isn’t a motorcycle at all, but at least he was trying to think outside the box — I think. Even though it wasn’t in serious contention, it still made me want to ride it and set stuff on fire.

 

Jesse’s bike was by far my favorite and yet somehow, lost in all the hoopla, was the sheer numbers of parts he created from scratch. Jesse made a stainless steel springer front end by hand. That alone should have won him the contest. His bike made me want to climb on and thrash the shit out of it. Just watching him build it made me want to get off the couch, head back to the garage and get back to work.

On the other hand, watching Paul Junior build his bike made me want to head out to the kitchen to see if I had any chips. And that wasn’t during the commercial breaks! This was the one opportunity that Junior had to NOT build a theme bike. So what’d he do? That’s right, he built yet another theme bike.

Besides the fact that the bike was in no way whatsoever a practical motorcycle, it also had no soul. Which I guess is what happens when you’re hell bent on using something else for inspiration or a theme.

The fact the PJD bike won just confirms what I have been saying for a while now: Bikers have lost their way. Everybody wants to strut around the rallies and be Billy Badass biker. Yet these same folks are bashing Jesse about his love life all over the social media sites. I wasn’t aware we were supposed to judge them by who they chose to ride on the pillion. Everyone wants to be an outlaw — on paper. In reality they want to stand next to a fat tire “chopper” sporting a helicopter, fire truck or lightning bolt theme, dressed in a leather vest and pretending they’re a one percenter.

Walking around the AMD World Championship show the past few years, I’ve noticed that it’s less about building a motorcycle and more about building a contraption of some sort. Whatever happened to building functional bikes? To me, being a biker is about riding, plain and simple. There’s nothing better than blasting across the countryside with your buddies, sliding through corners, riding wheelies or just cruising down the highway with the sun on your face. I’m sitting here grinning just thinking about it.

Like they say, it’s not the destination, it’s the journey. Most of the custom bikes out there today don’t have an ounce of “journey” in them. Don’t get me wrong, there are still people turning wrenches out there, building badass functional machines. Folks like Roland Sands and Jesse James come to mind, as well as those countless grease monkeys tinkering around in garages across the country. You guys know who you are. So just keep those wrenches spinning, and I’ll see ya on the blacktop. For now, I’m heading out to my garage. I’m pretty sure I have a PBR and an Ironhead that need my attention.

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Really enjoyed reading and agreed with Patrick’s comments concerning the Bike Build Off on Discovery Channel. To me motorcycles are about riding period!

Paul Jr. is the best designer. Paul Sr. is the heart of OCC flame. JJ is just a fast talking guy…his bike is awful, a common chopper wherever.

I think another competition to JJ, that obviously he couldn´t win. Imagine, Chip Foose, Jimmy Shine and Jesse James.

JJ has ability to create ,unlike the other two . Agreed, his personal life isnt pristine and he does say whats on his mind ,no sugar coating anything. It doesnt take anything away from his ability to turn raw metal into a machine to take down the road .I’d love to have the chance to follow him around his shop and watch and learn how he turns a flat piece of sheet metal into fenders,tanks and seatpans.
Jr’s only and usual contribution to any of his (PJD “designed/themed”)bikes is …here comes the wow factor…putting on the handlebars,while Vinny (or Cody) does the rest…but yet makes it sound like he does everything. Get Rick to come to your shop or send him to JJ’s if you want to help the bike building industry. Sorry Paulie, mommy isnt there to pat you on your head and say what a good boy you are. Build something practical for once.
Sr,go take a prozac,shut your big condescending yap and get some professional help so you can speak to your children again. All you are good for is keeping Home Depot in business because of all the smashing of doors to the office. Admit to your own faults and Grow up.
By the way , a “real biker” doesn’t give a shit what anyone else rides. If you can afford it, and like it , ride it . If you built it , good for you . Just take care of it yourself. We also don’t spend our time announcing how many miles we ride or where we’ve been .We just enjoy the ride, and take our memories with us. Its not about the destination, its about the way there, the people we meet on the way and the friends we hold close to share those times.

You guys are a bunch of tards I tell ya…It doesn’t matter how much skill and talent JJ has, if he is just gonna fall back on old designs and styles, why Bother.
The show is called American Chopper, so why not build a bike that is suited to the fans of the show. We are used to over the top and crazy, not plain and unoriginal.
Who cares if he built every single part including the nuts and bolts. What I saw was a bike that anyone could build with a catalog and some tools.
If anything I was upset that Jr, didnt build a bike that showed off a killer Nub graphix paint job.

JJ has to build his bikes by hand because he lacks the brains to even turn modern day machinery on.. He’s bikes aren’t orginal they are copied designs that have been done hundreds of thousands of times by other bike builders..Shit he even used the same tank mold to build the tank on his bike for this build off.. He couldn’t even come up with a new design for that part..The frame was like every other bike he built accept in a different metal.. NO REAL THOUGHT BEHIND IT AT ALL… The guys a big phony..

Jesse’s bike was bad to the bone he should have won hands down.But this was more of a popularity contest.To bad the best was’nt around, and by that I mean Indian Larry.

Russ, I was not referring to “Motorcyclists”, you know, the people you call bikers. I was talking about folks who live the post WW2 biker lifestyle. Although I admire sport riders abilities and their cojones, I don’t see them living the biker lifestyle. I understand many people don’t get what all that entails….so I don’t hold that against you. No offence intended man…and it’s not what you ride…it’s the fact that you do. Keep it in the wind, I’m with you, not against you.

Russ, I was not referring to “Motorcyclists”, you know,
the people you call “Real Bikers”.
I was referring to the folk that live the post WW2 biker lifestyle.
Though I respect the ability and cojones of sport riders, I do not see them living the biker lifestyle.
No offence intended at all man.

I knew Paul & Paul before TV and they were ok. After TV they became a**holes!! Vinnie was the backbone of the shop but never got credit for the work he did. Paul & Paul really CAN NOT build a bike. But thanx to TV they some how became stars! The bike Jr built looks like something you’d buy at a toy store. I dunno bout anyone else but I wouldn’t be caught DEAD on that thing Jr built. Also as far as what you were say’n about wanna b’s I know of 1% clubs that care more about who’s cheating on who’s ol’lady than anything else. What ever happened to “Bros before hoes.” I’ve been a 1%er for 40 years and what this whole “biker” world has become is a joke. It still seems that the only requirement these days to being a biker is $40,000 and 400 miles a year. I don’t know bout anyone else but you don’t become a biker, your born a biker. I know guys that call themselves bikers but they only ride on nice days. W*F is that!? I live in upstate NY and ride ALL YEAR LONG!!!

Real bikers are out there, they just don’t ride parade machines or what you call cruisers. They are riding sport bikes and or cafe racers. Most people who want to spend money on a bike want something out of it that isn’t just a gimmick. I hear the word performance all the time and no crusier/chopper has anything to do with it, let alone all this innovation the paul’s talk about every time they make a bike. Give me something that turns/ goes around corners when you want them to, and blows the doors off of a ferrari for 20g’s. Yeah..

I have to say Sr. wrong show, maybe there will be a trike build off in the future. As for Jr. and Jam.es… While PJD built a nice clean one off bike that I personally thought was sick, I wouldnt own it. As far as Mr. James goes, I noticed a few people mention that he built his bike by himself, what show were you watching people. Crunch time and he called in the troops so re watch the show if you missed that part. I own a slammed WideGlide, yet ride the shit out of my 76 Honda Cb 750 that I built and wrench on roadside often. No seat, no gauges, damn sure no suspension so while I liked James style I have to say he didnt bring much to the table. Also, he stood on stage and said he built everything on that bike, so that means he manufactured the engine,trans,carb,throttle,clutch wheels,tires……… So thats that and thats all I have for ya… Ride it like the cops are chasing you….

I agree with Grimm Rider above.

i beleive in what everyone says here…each person has the right to build,buy and ride whatever they wish….i have built several bikes…all on my own with no helpfrom anyone except for JP CYCLES…without them i could not do it….but i build mine to ride….i rode my last custom to anomosa last june for the open house…and man what a time we had…thanks jp for ALL you do !!

excellent post I’m a huge biking enthusiast from Washington

Preface to my comment: I do not blame the stars of reality TV shows for all the drama and lack of… reality. Its the Big Wig TV executives giving all the fat, drama loving, ADHD Americans something (Mainly Drama) that will keep them hooked on that channel for at least 1 entire time slot. It’s “Soap Opera-esque Semi-Scripted, Reality-ish TV” at best.
All the commercials before the build off got me temporarily excited. Finally a real legend, an O.G. Bike Builder and BIKER like Jesse James to put the REALITY TV stars in their place! Someone that can make a bike that rides as well as it looks. Some of the American Chopper bikes (though not all) look so ungainly and awkward that they’d never be ridden long enough to even earn an oil change. They do look awesome. But they’re… partially-functional display pieces.
I’m in Salt Lake City, Ut. and I ride. It’s my self prescribed anti-depressant. I ride year round, (Nothing like a sub-freezing New Years Day ride, when the gods of snow, ice, and road conditions allow it). Riding for a week or 2, down the coast, across mountains and farmland, thru yellowstone. Or just an after work cruise up the canyon. Ride to Live, Live to Ride. Too bad we don’t make up a big enough demographic to have a bike building show, minus the scripting and drama.
American Chopper, sadly is nothing but a reality TV show about feuding bike shops/family members that: (biting fingernails!) “They aren’t gonna finish the bike in time!!! but oh, look, (sigh) they finished the bike in time” -Stewart Griffin(roughly quoted from a recent Family Guy Episode) haha….. despite the fighting and THE…. DRAMA!
“Gold Rush” on Discovery is the same way. There’s more of a gold rush in my pee stream while I FF>> thru commercials. Why dont they call it “3 Feuding Mines With Constantly Breaking Machinery” (they should have the show about that Tony Beetz’s mine. Then it could be worthy of being called “Gold Rush”)

JJ’s bike looked like something one would come upwith after beating off for a hour or two… A total no imagination bike it was..This was a build off people.. You were suppose to present you best bike..
If that bike was JJ’s best then sorry he’s not the bike builder people think he is.. He’s a PLAIN JANE…

Try riding that bike and you’ll she how uncomfortable that bike totaly is to ride.. AFTER RIDING A HALF HOUR YOU’D HAVE TO MAKE A DOCTORS APOINTMENT..

Noway anybody could ride that bike for more then 30 minutes at a time at best… If that.. Plus the paint sucked…. Get real JJ got schooled bye the new builders of the block PJD…. Face the facts..JJ is nothing but a big mouth ahole that has his head stuck up his as*..He’s not that great and never has been

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I’ll bet Jesse Cried ! That seems to be his MO… I’m to busy riding to watch these things !

The show is not really about the bikes, they are just the back drop ! The show is really just about the drama. I love riding my Harley and would never sacrifice that comfort for OCC’s bikes they are for flash, not for serious riding. But I love the show anyway. One day soon the show will get put on the scrap heap after people get tired of it and we will all miss it.

Patrick, I strongly agree with you, its not what you ride, its that you ride. Enjoy the freedom whether you are a seasonal rider or ride year round just ride.

Some claim to be “bikers” while others live the life. When all the Hollywood glam is over the true bikers will remain.

Until then, sit back and enjoy the show.

I agree Jesse had the best chopper. Jr should win an art award for a sculpture. Sr built a cool toy, just not a chopper. I miss the days of the likes of….
Arlen Ness, Indian Larry, Pat Kennedy. Me I don’t have the talent of those guys. But I still have a 62 Panhead I am trying to fit in a Kraft tech frame. Maybe nobody will like it. But I will ride the wheels off it. If I ever get it done.

It makes me think how sad that Mr. Garvin’s approach to the build off was so one sided, maybe I miss understood what he was trying to say but to praise Mr. James for his arrogant, fouled mouth and crude behavior was like someone saying its ok to support domestic violence because that’s the way its done. I thought Mr. James bike looked great it was an old school hardtail and well put together. I also thought that Paul Sr. had a great cutting edge project that made his so called bike far above Mr. James bike, but for the sake of arguing lets just say that you all should thank the god’s that be for shows like that. They bring notice to the art of customizing and trick painting. Lets not allow our minds to be pigeon holed into thinking only one way. I myself do not ride with the crowed so to speak, I am a rider of well over 40 years and have been on just about every main stream bike out there. It is people like Paul Sr, Paul Jr. and Jessy James that sells your products. I would rather buy J&P stuff that from our local dealers.
I guess I though that you guys were in the business of selling after market parts and new ideas, rather that making J&P your forum for dividing your customer base…..I would re-think this in the future……

I wouldn’t give a plugged nickel for any of those bikes.I’ll just keep riding the ole Shovel and that evo bagger that are in my garage…

Wow, Mr. Garvin, you’ve recieved a lot of support for your article considering most of the world disagrees. It was called a bike building contest not a bike riding contest.
I too was impressed with jesse’s springer.I was un impressed with Jesse’s constant trash talk. Junior from the get go let his work speak for him, which is what the real builders I know do.
Someone wrote Jesse built all his parts himself. Thats not the show I watched. Jesse imported a crew which I’m sure was nescessary to stay within the time constraints.
I have ridden a Jesse James built bike. Nice bike, very simillar to the bike he built for the show, less the view obstructing stretch. The risers on jesse’s bike for the show are available right off the shelf, as for the rest of the parts one would need a little closer look.
Senoir didn’t build a bike at all. don’t know what you would call that thing.
I have never seen ANYTHING like junoirs bike. How anyone or any group, could come up with the stuff those guys do, absolutely blows me away.
I have had a ton of bikes in the four decades I have been riding and wrenching and I will just admit right here, I wouldn’t be ashamed to ride Junoirs entry gas station to gas station.

I guess you’re looking for a reason why this has happened. I call it “general sheep following”. Why do you think HD is doing so well selling cycles. With 30 yr old tech (accept head and lately, fuel intake changes) HD is out selling all brands. They advertise the name, that’s all they had to do. More than 50% of their sales are from wanna be riders and people that just want another lawn ornimate. I get what I call stupid comments/questions all the time because of what I ride, but the thing is when I ask a simple question of what is their definition of a real cycle, the only answer is HD. I laugh every time it’s said and ride off on my Yamaha RSV w/ at least 50% more hp than a stock HD and….well you get the point. Most people perspective relies on what the media says it is. Judgement is by the media, not common sense. Custom cycles are viewed in the same respect. They’re just a vision. For the most part, not to be riden. Jessi’s cycle may go a longer distance because of tank size, but I wouldn’t ride that cycle over PJD’s because of riding position. If you had to ride 250 miles given both cycles had same tank sizes, how many times would you stop before needing gas on either cycle? Customs cycles are a form of art and this was on the extreme end of it. Jr. and Sr. both did what their companies do best. Jr. like themes, and Sr. likes, in my opion, using this crew to come up with the idea. Jessi should have looked at the rules first. It didn’t say anything about how far it had to ride or even be a rider other than riding it on the stage. I like Jessi’s cycle as much as I liked Big Dog cycles. But if I wanted a one of a kind cycle, personally, PJD would get my business because of their vision through themes. Jessi built a cycle for himself and like his outspoken personallity, it didn’t get received very well. He built it as if he was the only one voting. When you’re that self indulgent, the odds are already stacked against you. I wouldn’t buy anything from a person like that. Jessi would build for him, not me. Can’t do that w/ the money I would shell out. Isn’t that why Big Dog went out of business? Selling it’s own vision of a custom cycle? You can do that for 1 or 2, but for the masses you gotta either sell the name (HD), or give them what they want. Hence the on going succes of “one off” bike builders.

You have accurately discribed these machines #1 Jesse James #2 Paul Jr. useless #3 Paul Sr. not even close to a motorcycle !!! I thought the show was going to be better, as it turned out to be stuipd and just Horseshit !!! Keep up your good work ,be safe, ride on !!!

Man, It’s guys like you that gives me hope for future bikers!
I’ve been riding bobbed Harleys since 1974, and I tell ya, for the past several years I’ve seen the “New School” bikers disregarding traditional biker values, and embracing trends that would be laughable to post WW2 – 80′s bikers. You are right! Everyone wants to act like Billy Badass. Fact is…these new jockeys know nothing about being a biker. I’ve lived the whole spectrum of the biker lifestyle from hardcore outlaw to bike minister. It seems to me there are two things that define what a bikers is, in my opinion, of course – One, it’s the number of miles you ride a year in all kinds of weather included, and Two, most importantly – It’s the people you call Brothers and Sisters that ride the highway with you whither they are in a club or not, and know what the term “Brother” and “Sister” trully means.

Brother – Keep on keepin on what you are doing, you’ve got my support! you made my day!

The whole show was a joke.Same over-done bike from Jr. and same style from James.I might have more respect for James if he’d stop trying to tell everbody how good he is and how everbody else sucks.I didn’t know you had to be a complete dick to be a Biker.

Paul Jr. Bike was the best design of the two bikes. (that thing senior built is one step below a go-cart). Jessie bike design was nothing different than any other chopper with the exception of the stainless steel material

As a dear friend of mine used to say. “Chrome (and snowflakes and reindeer horns) won’t getcha home”

Who in the name of the Iron Gods would ride that piece of jingle________ jingle_________

Boy I can’t wait to see the Easter Bunny bike! Just my opinion but I think the days of corporate theme bikes is over. I mean what’s next the Disney bike with roller coaster handelbars and a waterslide on the back fender?

Thanks brother for what u wrote in this article. Do u think JR knows what its like rippen down the road with 20 BROTHERS OVER 100mph? Or rippen thru the streets of NYC and living to talk about it? Lmfao! It was great to see Jesse doing his thing and the man keeps uping his game… Cheers to ya brother! ,, TWISTED MINDZ NYC

I find it odd to read this article on J & P Cycles website. Jesse James did nothing but bash Jr about being a cake decorator and just bolting on a bunch of bling stuff and calling it a bike. Isnt this exactly the crowd that J & P caters too ? Dont they make a living selling aftermarket parts for people (cake decorators) to bolt on there bike at home ? If we lived by what Jesse says and built all our own parts by hand , wouldnt that put a company like J & P out of business ? Seems odd that someone would write an article agreeing that aftermarket parts and bling are a bunch of wanna be riders and then post it on a website that sells those very parts. Hmmm i guess what J & P is saying is stop buying parts from us , get out in the garage and build your own or your a wanna be.. In the end i thought they all built cool bikes and different styles. Thats why there are more than one bike builder and one bike model sold , cause like the old saying goes ” there is an a.. for every seat…..

Sorry, just can’t agree with you. All the stuff you’ve said about PJD’s bike being a “theme” bike and not real is entirely true. But its JUST as true about Jessie’s bike. Did you see the seating position? The reach to the bars? The hard-tail. PJD’s bike isn’t practical to ride any distance. But neither is Jessie’s. At least PJD created a new theme. Jessie followed the same “bad-ass biker” theme that others have done many times before. He’s an incredibly skilled fabricator. But as a designer, his bike fell WAY short of some of his other efforts.

i build bikes all hand made my son puts together lego sets jesse is talented paul jr creative as long as he has a theme to build to an parts to bolt together u up.there slaminin on.jesse u.every built a frame an springer get a grip jesse should.have won i agree with morgan shut.up an build

Not sure about the Custom Bikes now. 30K and 30 Minutes don’t make you a biker. I ride a 2002 Indian Chief and have owned Harley’s and Jap scrap. I put about 10K + per year on my ride and I like to ride. But the creations that are coming out are not meant for riding they are meant for show, and that,s all they are good for…SHOW. I would like to have one if I had the space, I would also like to have a 56 Corvette and a few other nice toys. what they did on the show was show stuff, not real practical and I really think there needs to be a show that shows how to fix the rid you got and or restore one. That would be interesting. American Chopper has gotten to be like a night time soap opera so I dont watch it any more. Pretty stuff but aint worth a damn to ride. We need to get back to the roots

How in the hell did the Discovery channel get off in the first place declaring the winner of this single Vegas event as “Champion Bike Builder” to begin with? The previous Discovery Bike Buildoff show format rocked because the competitor had to actually RIDE what they built 300-500 miles. If the cool lookin’ bike didn’t make it they lost, period!

Ok Ok….. Gotta weigh in again here.. I own both a Harley, a Jap Sport touring bike and two dirt bikes I race…….. forget the Harley way of life only stuff, it was about building a bike not populatiry contest… the decision before the show started I agree……

I don’t think too many people could have actually ridden Jesse’s bike for any great distance if it even would actually be able to pass inspection and get registered. It was as much his piece of artistic expression as was PJ’s clown bike was, just more in the traditional lines we grew up with and love. Sr, well again, i guess he was the most honest one there because his entry said I don’t give a s*** about any of you! PJ’s bike was silly for sure and not a rider, but Jesse needs to step out of the box and make something that is original, he might be a dickhead but he is talented and should shut his mouth a bit more and let his creativity do the talking. The bike he showed up with had attitude but was far from original and didn’t come close to the trash he was talking regardless of whether or not he bent the frame himself.

The problem was the show format. It was a set up for the real show, which should be them working together and taking inspiration from each others talents, which are clearly different.

Let’s just ride and have fun!

It’s a joke, I stopped watching along time ago. With the ego queens building trailer queens, it’s enough to make you puke! Dave Perewitz and ‘Killer clown’ Johnson and a few others are builders of riders. Sands is more like Jesse, interesting but, still not riders. Stop the drama!!

If it’s unrideable, and uncomfortable then it’s crap & it shouldn’t win.

The PJD bike at least was rideable for more than a minute. The other contraptions were not safe to ride with bad riding positions, and very poor road visibility.

I agree with you one hundred percent, if building a theme bike is what people think is cool, then we lost the craft of “real” bike building.. People are not real anymore.. when i was young, and started to ride, an old biker told me, you don’t belong on a motorcycle unless you do all your own repair work and building…Best advice,, i ever got

Soul is the right word for builders like Jessie and Indian Larry (RIP).Some Native Americans believe that when they create art they leave a little bit of their soul in their creations.Jessie even thinks this way about the machines he uses in his shop,the older ones,where they were used in years past,what they made,maybe parts during WW II.The heritage and legacy they have.

This kind of passion for building bikes just does’nt come across with junior.

The Martin Bros. would have kicked all their asses !

American Chopper Biker Build Offf? HaHaHaHaHaHa and Ha!!!! What a freakin’ joke! Senior must have a contract with NASA for R&D on a new lunar rover. Out off the box, he’s out of his mind. You get what you get when you let an artist design bikes that has no clue as to what a motorcycle is supposed to do or how it works.

PJD? Art is what it is, no functional value except to the eye of the beholder. Maybe one of these days Vinnie will build him a bike that someone can actually ride. I couldn’t make it to a gas station from where I live on that bling thing. Bet there is some corporation out there that would love to trailer it around to their conventions or trade shows to show off tho.

Jesse James? Been building bikes for years yet he hasn’t come up with a new design since he started. Always the same diatribe, “I made every single part on this motorcycle by hand.” Bravo, bravo, how about putting all those hand made parts on something new and ridable. When I saw him riding that bike, the only thing needed to complete the picture was him sucking his thumb.

I suppose they all fit in with todays concept of taking your bike for a ride, back up the pick up or trailer to the garage, load up the bike and drive around town with it all day. Where the hell is Hugh “The Chopper King” when you need him for a biker build off? What’s happened to all the builders that were ever featured on “Biker Build Off”, the guys that built them and rode them for more that twenty miles? I’ve put 51,000 miles on my bike in the past two years, I would like to see one of them do that on one of those bling things without needing a chiropractor on call or a travelling gas station behind them. Just saying!!!!!

First of all from what I heard there were no real rules about what to build, how it should ride etc… JJ and PJD are completely different bike builders each with their own following and style. They should have been judged on what they do best as bike builders. PJ has been building theme based bikes for 10 Years, thats what he knows and that’s what pays his bills, that being said if the rules stated he had to build a functioning long distance bike I am confident he would have. The whole competition was a Joke with out Rules and how can you even compare. It was all apples and oranges. Also one of the main attractions of the Bikeer way or lifestyle some call it is FREEDOM!. Freedom for may things, freedom of the open road wind in your face, freedom to ride what you want. I don’t care what you ride as long as you ride! I agree with what Jim wrote on 12-08-2011. I am not sure what everyone’s hang up is about people not being able to fabricate specific items, If you look back at some of Jesse’s build that he did personally they took hom well over 12 months to build. Yeah he bent the metal himself but 12 Months!. I bet anyone could do that with that time frame. PJ has timelines to meet with his projects. You are all taking this way to serious it’s a freekin TV show.

I gave up watching OCC a long time ago because of the silly assed drama and even sillier theme bikes. They may do some nice work but it isn’t anything I would want to be seen riding. When they start building bikes that you can plant your butt on and ride 1000 mile days I’ll pay attention.
I doubt I could last riding from home to work on the bike JJ put together though. That is the most uncomfortable looking thing I have seen in a long time. Maybe if you are 5’6″ and weigh 140 but it isn’t going to fit large guys.
Both are capable of building way better bikes if they really wanted to.

The Tuttles need to go, ESPECIALLY the old man. The only real fabricator of the bunch is Rick. I say give him a show and let’s see what he can do on his own without all the fluff and bullshit! Jesse really builds a bike to ride and not sit in a corporate lobby but all of his crazy antics have unfortunately overshadowed his true gift which is building bad ass bikes!

I thought PJD’s “bike” was hideous! All this nonsense that he thinks outside the box & his bike was artistically so much better is ridiculous. It wasn’t an art contest, it was a bike build off! Since looks are entirely personal preference, how about practicality? How hot will that decorative aluminum shell of a faux fuel tank get with exhaust running under it & out through it’s sides? Roasted chestnuts anyone? Oh wait, it won’t have a chance to get too hot, since it will run out of gas every 5 minutes with it’s 1 gallon tank!

I personally think that most of you are missing the big picture here. The whole show really had nothing to do with building bikes, and if you think it did….you are truly nieve!!

The entire premiss of the show was to boost ratings for Discovery. Since the breakup of the father son duo and loss of Jessie”s show – West Coast Choppers. There has been a massive decline in the viewers watching!

This whole episode was about rebuilding careers and TV ratings. Mark my words “the tuetels will reunite and Jessie will have a new show!”

Now dont get me wrong! If i wanted a “Kick A$$” bike to ride, then Jessie wins hands down! But if I wanted to impress and win the votes of the kind of people that are really watching this show(wanna be bikers), then JR wins hands down! C’mon its simple people! Its the big shiny toy syndrome!!!

Gee Steve how Dufuss can you get? Your rant didn’t really make a point so I can’t see how it pissed off anyone. I have had to work at trying to understand what you said and this is what I got.
1. Paul Jr. is your hero
2. everyone else, including yourself, is an a-hole.
3. Harley owners are a-holes
4. You have no idea what you are saying.

The fact is Reality TV is vitriolic and relies on Drama. It appears that the American viewing public thrives on this. Paul Sr., his family and Jesse James are products and casualties of this vitriolic media.

The first motorcycle I got on,in 1963, was a Harley but I have owned many brands since then. I have a Harley now and also a Kawasaki Vulcan and consider myself an old skool biker. In this day of Rolex Riders I understand this article’s view of show bikes, “looks kool but can it cross the desert”.

All the Rolex Bikes in the world will not replace the truely functional bike. I learned when I was young in the 60s and 70s that choppers looked cool but were hard to ride and dangerous to operate. We made some beautiful bikes without changing the engineering.

BTW the Banditos, Hells Angels and the other biker gangs I knew of rode what ever they could get their hands on.

When was this build off? If it was last Saturday I missed it because a pow wow was more important. It took me about an hour and a half to get the Electra Glide started. It came to life after pouring a couple gallons of hot water on the primary and between the lifter blocks. The 125 to 135 mile ride made it a good day. It was still 27^ when I left home. And 34^ when I left the pow wow. I left early hoping to get back home before the roads iced up. I made it but not by much.
So what is all this hoopla about bikes that ya can’t ride? Never mind, I don’t really care any way. I’m more concerned about what parts can get me home, if it comes to that. My V8 Chevy trike is about rideable (it may never be “done”). It is easy to get parts for it!

I ride s.e.modified sporty. plain black fast. what little i watched of the build off showed me how much i bikes are made to be riden and wrenched and enjoyed, show me a occ/pjd bike you can ride with pride and comfort. wcc builds machines the BIKER can identify with and not feel like a poser. Jesse rides what he builds with pride. jump on go 1000 mi. no sweat ride 10000 mi if you need a part or repair you can do it or it can be done anywhere. occ/pjd to many uncool hard to remo ve or repair parts, one of a kind shit. i am a fairly new biker riding hds for 12 years and many other varieties since 1969. jesse’s bike is real. srs was a joke and he only showed up to look every so often. jrs well every one has already said it, its another gawdy theme cycle that exceeds the average guys idea and reach unless you are have a 6 car garage and with 2 bmws a benz and a collection of toys that are untouched and uncared for just toys. old skool is where its at long live real bikes and real bikers. cool bike jesse way to keep it real.

I don’t watch any of them glorified ass holes on TV. Shit any body can order all the frames,wheels and engines from a catalog and put the same shit together. Atleast Jessie James can form a fender or a fuel tank from a blank piece of metal

A big point in the article is ridability. None of these bikes are very ridable. Try going through the twisties with Jessies bike. Go on holidays on a long ride and see how you like any of these bikes. You can’t even see over the bars on Jessies bike. Compare this to a 5 gallon tank and a 2year warranty and you get the point. These bikes are show only and are for bar hopping only. These bikes are cool though and have their place. Jessie is a craftsman and great builder but he is not a designer. All his bikes are the same. A frisco chopper only. Sr’s bikes are getting boring. I think he was scared and built a cop out. Junior is a artist and designer. Let him loose and you will see art. His bikes are unique. Look at the close ups and you will see the art, design, and quality of Jr’s bike.

Hands down, Jesse James built the most righteous motorcycle on that show – any true biker knows this. But don’t forget that James is just another celebrity playing the TV millionaire game. And for that, he’s gotta take some punches.

From what I saw none of the bikes could be ridden far. I am getting really tired of seeing “Things” with 2 wheels called bikes. the piece Jessie did a lot of fabrication it looked very uncomfortable to ride, can’t see around the tank and you knees are in your face. A very pretty piece of crap. The other two were also not rideable and were an exercise in throwing pieces together. It should not be called a bike build off as 1 was not a bike and the other two would look pretty parked but not ridden. I think one of the criteria for any bike build off should be to have to climb on at one coast and ride to the other without a 10 man support team and trailer. If it beaks then it has t be fixed on the spot. Indian Larry could build a bike you could ride and he is probably rolling in his grave looking at these pieces of S**t

I agree that Jr. is no builder ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,But stop acting like janes cured cancer,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,shit come on he sold his soul to tv a long time ago. Can he put one together yes notice I did not say build. You want to find a bike builder look in Texas at bikes by Mike ,,,, in Oklahoma for Ugly Johns ,,,, stop with the look at me tv bikers ,,james included.

I am sick of the drama and have no interest in the personal lives or attitudes of builders.

What I want to see is Rick Petko show how he works magic in making interesting bikes and parts.

C’mon you TV guys, make us a video of someone with serious skills and good sense doing something worth filming. Show us how you really do make those tanks, fenders and other one-of parts for motorcycles.

No more hot air and juvenile drama. Give us a solid show in really building something. I’ll buy copies of those!

if you look at these bike assemblers it is the same pile.a frame you can step thru long forks and Lbars. just different paint. and trailer queens to events that used to be fun, and have removable tatooed wantabeswave there arms in the air with light beer in hand and tanning bed burn. at least i still ride my 1980 hd and can work on it,not sit in a motor home waiting for my bike because it fell over in the trailer on the way what a world we have become.

I bought my first Harley in 2002 because i never had enought money till then and i waited till I did. I have another one now and I fix everything myself, bought my own lift and the rest is history. I still get comments like anyone can buy a bike, then i add yes but those are the people that trade them in when it needs a new tire! F that we need to get back to being a country that keeps things not throw them out at the smallest thing wrong with it. i think all the Bike builders have lost sight of what being on a harley is all about because when you see the super stars riding there bikes they have trailers following them to give them water, gas ETC. Me and my girl get on our soft tail and dont give it a second thought because our harley is well maintained by ME! lets show the Big Boys we still rule the roads not them.

Sr. is a blowhard. Jr. has more imagination, but what he built for the contest was not a real bike. Jesse is not my favorite person, but the bike he is building with a stainless steel frame and a Drake motor will be 100% more of a bike than what he built for the contest (which was just a popularity contest anyway.)

I have built bikes in my younger days, when bolt on parts and kits were not available. Had to fabricate parts especially for BSAs, Triumphs, Nortons. That is what puts soul and character into the machine. Still own 71 Bonny, stretched and lowered. Hand built. Jesse should have won!! Period!!

So what’s new? from day one OCC has been a damn soap opera and an insult to real bike builders everywhere. At the start they used crate motors, trannys, drive lines, other peoples frames and added a bit of shit metal, yeah that was spelled correctly, then had some very talented people who never fully got the credit they deserved paint the crap! Who in their right mind ever has a very expensive custom anything built and then says you have to have it done in 5 days? The few times they actually tried to do engine work they screwed it up! Yeah make the builders ride their creations 500 or 800 miles to the event, BUT make them do it without a chase vehicle and only with the tools they can carry with them! Building bikes is more than slamming doors and wearing sleeveless shirts, and sunglasses indoors! I started with basket cases in 1960 and no parts catalogs to order parts from, you run what you built and made sure it ran good! BTW I know there’s a different attitude towards being gay nowadays but why do they never put a pillion pad on a bike so you could take a woman for a ride??
This show does serve one purpose though, if you find someone who thinks it’s cool, you know right away that person is a poser!!!…

Right on all points. It wasn’t even a real build off except in title. In the real world, Junior couldn’t even carry JJ’s trash. Senior should trust his roots and instinct and forget about this starstruck yuppie crap that will never be ridden past the end of the parking lot.

an absolute joke…ok seniors was a glorified snowmobile and pjd …well maybe in another 10 years he might realize theres more to bikers than alot of chrome and some sheet metal jesse is old skool form and function first who gives a rats ass if its shiney… guys like him , indian larry, chica, they are true bike bilders …. now im gonna grab a beer and go for a ride…ftw!

well lets see it was called a bike build off jessie built it from the ground up he had a couple of people help him at the end so he could make the dead line but for the most part he did every thing.lets see did a complete springer front end ,the whole frame and it was all out of stainless W.T.F .i still dont understand how jr won .did you see how stupid those wheels looked on that bike of his ?the wheels were bigger than the bike he looked like a midget in between those two wheels .oh yea his gas tank had a lot of rivets and it was shiny and cool .i recall when jessie did the copper bike and he did his out of copper sheet metal and rivets to but ….his held F***N gas .hey i got a question do you guys think that jr can get a wheel laced on one of his fancy machines? or do you think that he could do it him self?

I will take my springer over any of what they made.
Scatered all over my shop right now, but soon to be back together :)

This is all real easy to sum up. It wasn’t bikers that did the voting. Anybody can own a harley, or any bike for that matter. Its not owning a bike that makes you a biker. Its the life. A biker doesn’t use his american express card to buy his bike. He builds it. Jr caters to the yuppie crowd. A bunch of snot nose brats that don’t have a clue what a real bike is. Most of them I bet don’t even realize that with the 1 gallon of gas most of Jr’s bikes can hold you’ll only be riding from gas station to gas station at best.

Yes his bikes look awesome but that is about it. They are show pieces not to be ridden. I though this was suppose to be a “biker” build off. Jr is as far from being a “biker” as pee wee herman.

build bikes to ride, not just show. jesse can do both. tutels do neither!!!!

no truer words were ever spoken. real bikers RIDE their bikes, not just build them to sit in the window to look at.

Tutels are idiots not bikers. They believe thier own hype. I’ll take Jessies bike you can RIDE it.

“Not counting this particular competition, design-wise, I give Senior the nod. He is the only one among them who has proven he knows how to build a great looking old school daily rider.

While he always seems true to himself and has skills, Junior seems hell bent to continue building cartoon bikes (high art).

While Jessie is unable to be anything but true to himself, and clearly has skills, he seems to only be capable of turning out variations of the bike he carries around in his head.

All that aside, in the end, if I could walk in and choose any of the bikes ever made by OCC or West Coast Choppers, I’d ride away on the Paul Senior Sunshine bike.”

Are you f****n kidding me? You deserve to be banned from 2 wheels for life!

I feel Jesse got robbed plain and simple.1)It took an entire team to beat him.They should divide the percentage PJD got by the number of people who helped and see if that beats Jesse.2)It was geared towards the OCC viewers anyways who grew up (watching) a TV show,not riding.3) People who would of voted for Jesse don’t watch enough TV outside of their jobs,riding and working around their houses and garages to have time to vote.4)People that had time to vote for esse didn’t even know it was on.I didn’t know myself till i was thumbing through stations and caught it right at the very end when it was too late.That’s how Jesse got set up for failure by that station.Good Job! I will never watch OCC again!

Ok I like american chopper and Jr’s bikes but I have to agree with what jessie was saying about jr not being a bike builder because he dosent do his sheetmetal work or for that matter it seems anything on his bikes other than assembling them with vinny his frames he orders his front ends he orders his swing arms he orders and his so called gastank on the build off bike was not hard to do he took a gastank and rivited pices of aluminum to it granted for people who have never worked with aluminum it would be hard but not impossible, but someone who dose work with aluminum its not that big of a deal… and it wasnt even a gas tank.. I like jessise bike more but like a few other people already said I would have rather seen and indian larry style bike up there with out all the b.s. jessie was talking…

I know I’m late reading this but I totally agree with you Patrick,
Jr’s bike looked like bling to be hung on a rapers neck.
with a 1 gallon gas tank, where you going to go?
Sr’s bike, uhhh what bike?
Jessie built the only real ridable bike, And if the show wasn’t American Chopper he would have won.

Jesse is a dirt bag….

DAMM Morgan You’re HOTT!!!!!

I have had my shovel for 32 years, bought it new. I love people that have hart for thier HARLEY… I DO !
The one’s that are for show….Oh WELL.. Don’t need them around. I’m not a 1%er….but I’m a biker.
I love to wrench as much as I love to ride . I will alwas stop to see if someone needs help….&…if I can help them I will. Keep the love & hart for riding.

Jesse James is a bike builder, master fabricator, designer and a biker at heart. The Teutels are off the rack bike assemblers. Jr. was given an opportunity by his father and turned it into a drama and miserable place to work for everyone then took his fathers ungrateful employees and started his own company. What a joke everything that chump has he owes to his father. Jr’s a piece of crap and so are the chumps that jumped ship with him.

i have been ridding sence the 70′s and seen alot of shit but the new bikes that paul (jr/sr) buld are all the same , they look the same only minnor changes but when the rubber hits the road all the same! maybe its me but just give me a stock pan/shovel 1969 flhp and life is great!!!

I agree with some of the writers comments. The writer makes it sound as if there are no more bikers out there, just a bunch of rich posers that can afford a custom bike or a Harley. That’s a bunch of bull shit!!! I guess what he is trying to say is that; you have to be covered in tattoos, ride a chopper, been in trouble with the law, not have a job and just ride from city to city, working only to get some gas and party money. Find an ole lady, hit it for a while then move on. How stupid could one be!!! Yes there are still a lot of true bikers that prefer the chopper look, the true biker lifestyle etc… But take a look, the touring type bikes, Street Glide, Dyna Glide, and custom Bikes, Big Dog, Thunderstruck, California Choppers, CHICA Customs, EXILE Choppers, Jim Nasi Customs, Paul Yaffee originals and Perewitz. Yea some are hard tails but most have some type of a shock or they are made to ride long distance, not just looks. So I throw the Bull Shit card on the writer’s statement. I’m by no means saying old school choppers are not cool. But Old School is just that Old School. They server a purpose, you can bar hop or you can haul ass to Sturgis from the East Coast and feel like shit when you get there and suck up the aches and pretend to be the bad ass biker that the writer refers to. Or you can ride something that is comfortable, get to Sturgis and party your ass off as a true biker etc… I guess the next thing that will come out of the writer’s mouth is; if you don’t kick start your bike, then you’re not a biker.

I personally think all of the projects 2 bikes and 1 what ever sucked! Jesse was the only one that came close, Jr built a show bike with a tiny gas tank as Jesse pointed out, and the ole man was on crack for this event. Especially someone that is known for being a hands on type of owner. The best thing OCC can do is to fire Jason and get back to building durable riding bikes!

Discovery Channel screw this contest up from the get go. They should have did the same in past Great Biker Build Offs, such as Indian Larry vs Mondo or Billy Lane vs Indian Larry. Give the builders so many days to build their project, then they have to ride their bikes to some type of Hot Rod Show or Bike Show. Then you would have seen Paul Sr, Paul Jr and Jesses true colors be exposed. Jr with his one gallon gas tank, what about 35 miles and he would have to fill up, Paul Sr could ride about 40 miles then he would need electricity to charge up his electrical crap, then Jesse could probably ride the longest without a filling. All 3 would be beat to death riding 400 or 600 miles….

Amen Brother, You said a mouthful, I build bad-ass custom bikes out of my shop in the backyard…, old-school customs!!!, I wouldn`t ride one of those ornamental pieces of crap if you gave it to me and paid me to ride it !!!!!!!!!!!!!.

PJD is a rotten spoiled little man, who without SR. would be lucky to get a job as a dishwasher. No respector of his dad . Sr. should have canned him years ago as for the bikes JJ got my vote.Screw themed bikes that ain’t what bikers is about.Freedom Baby,Ride Hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dustin Hiney, you are right on. And the list of builders is correct. I am north of Detroit and had spend many hours at Ron Finch’s shops. From when he was on University in Pontiac to the shop he had in Auburn Hills. He did some work on an old 69 sportser I chopped back in the early 70′s.

I agree with you. Jesse’s bike was the only ride able machine. PJD’s bike is something you display in your window. I like the idea from one comment, Ride them to Vegas. They should have ridden from Jesse’s place to Vegas, its only 1,300 miles. Jesse would ride, no questions asked. Now let’s see Paul Jr. ride that machine of his along side of Jesse. Sounds like a plan to me except they would be stopping every 35 to 40 miles so Jr. could gas up. Jesse’s team was there to help him finish. Paul had a team also but what did he actual build. One of his guys built the tank, Vinny did some work but what did Paul do. Lets see if he can build his own frame, his own tank, fenders AND front end. Let’s see him forge something out of Raw Steel into something truly beautiful. I would like to see Jr. build an actual functional bike. Something you can get on and RIDE all day long. Not something that is put in a glass case for display.

No one would actually ride Jr.’s bike down to the local biker hangout. You’d be laughed at. If he wants to be “that creative” he should be an interior designer.

All this talk about jesse’s bike being the same old same old ; you gotta remember that he started the whole chopper craze in the beginning. People forget, especially new riders, that it was all “fat bike” style or pro street stuff when Jesse started building the up and out chopper look that defined his style and was then copied and refined.
American Chopper commercialized the biker scene and turned it into fluffy drama. Who rides Paul Jr.’s bikes?
Maybe Jesse is or isn’t the best builder but it definitely ain’t Paul Jr.. At least jesse is hard core and is firmly rooted in the bike scene heritage.

Matters not what you ride.

RIDE LONG
RIDE HARD
RIDE SAFE
JUST RIDE

Id love to smoke screen some aholes……..but Duh it was run on discovery ch…..PJD and OCC should be building chinese bikes. American craftsman like JJ helped build this nation. Its like the difference between a muscle car and a rice burning cars with straight exhaust. Jr could not build himself out of his ahole….

Ok do not know who wrote the article, but if the is J&Ps feelings on the build off than cancel meas a customer. This was about building a bike, it did not say show or sit the garage. Jesse was at one time a great builder but he lost touch. sr will forever bein Jrs shadow. The designer at OCC a short bus type of dude, wake up Sr he is not helping you, the builders out in the shop are, Jr another blend of your not on the track mind, thanks for comming up with the wild stuff. I got somein my mind but can not find a frame builder who will do it and notcopy what i have.

if you can’t ride the bike every day and it be completely functional then it is not a bike!!!!. you have just built something that looks cool, so what. you are on discovery channel for a BIKE build contest. what in the hell was sr and jr thinking?????. paul sr should have built an old school chopper and paul jr , well i guess he built what he builds, theme bikes that will not function in a every day scenario.
jesse should have won this hands down. what a beautiful machine.
jesse would you please give me one!!!

Not counting this particular competition, design-wise, I give Senior the nod. He is the only one among them who has proven he knows how to build a great looking old school daily rider.

While he always seems true to himself and has skills, Junior seems hell bent to continue building cartoon bikes (high art).

While Jessie is unable to be anything but true to himself, and clearly has skills, he seems to only be capable of turning out variations of the bike he carries around in his head.

All that aside, in the end, if I could walk in and choose any of the bikes ever made by OCC or West Coast Choppers, I’d ride away on the Paul Senior Sunshine bike.

I have to agree with you Patrick, Jesse built one hell of a bike and it should have won the competition, but those who voted, voted for popularity and not skill or quality.

I respect PJD and Orange County Choppers a great deal as “Theme Bike Builders” they are arguably the best at what they do which in my opinion is building corporate trophies that are displayed in corporate headquarter lobbies and exhibited at corporate events as a means of boosting company’s morale. These bikes are never met to be ridden, just admired by all who see them.

As the definition states below, “mounted as a memorial”.

Tro-phy
Something gained or given in victory or conquest especially when preserved or mounted as a memorial.

I have followed Jesse James for many years and admire his skill, vision, and ability very much when it comes to his craft because he truly is a craftsman as what he does when it comes to building a badass one of a kind motorcycle. They say that you have to put in 10,000 hours into something to master it, well if that’s the case I think Jesse is the equivalent to a master 10 times over. I have seen Jesse on Monster Garage and Jesse James is a Dead Man and a slew of other television shows and he has always maintained the exact same portrail of himself over and over again, “Jesse James changes for no one and he is who he is take it or leave it”. This is the attitude that I respect the most about Jesse James and that’s why I think Jesse James is part of an elite group of bike builders in a class all to themselves.

Billy Lane
Mitch Bergeron
Jerry Covington
Rick Fairless
Ron Finch
Arlen Ness
Paul Yaffe.

All of these men build from their souls as did the late great Indian Larry.

I think that true bikers and bike builders at heart are getting lost in all the hoopla and forgetting the roots of what true bike building is all about.

All three of the bikes sucked. JJ built a bike that you see asshats with to much money buy all over the place hell he couldnt even see over the dam bars was looking out to the side. Jr built a freakin art project it looked nice but come on it supposed to be a bike not artwork. Sr not sure what to call what they brought looked fun to ride but pretty sure its not a bike. Would liked to have seen any of them ride it for a few hundred miles. JJ wouldnt have been able to see where the hell he was going, JR would have run out of gas in half an hour, and SR would have been pulled over for taking the his contraption on the road. None where real bikes.

What I have to laugh about is the opinions of people like “Steve” who seem to have a problem stringing together a coherent sentence or using punctuation and capitalization where required. So, I’m supposed to be the “a##hole” with no brain? And what, I’m supposed to value their opinions when the writers are so pathetically ignorant in the use of their native language? Wait, let me guess; I bet they are the same people walking around spouting “speak English or get out of the f#@king country”….. So when are you leaving Steve?

As for the bikes in question? I wouldn’t be seen on any of them. Give me my comfy 90 HD with over 200 thousand miles it, leaks and all. I’ll wave to you when I pass you on the side of the road with that broken “custom” that cost you 100 G’s. Or if you happen to be on Jesse’s “cool” ride, see you at the back doctor after you’ve ridden it across town. I do miss Indian Larry who understood the “soul” of a bike and it’s rider. Enough of this BS, time to ride.

Check out the history of what some of the original choppers consisted of: Fenders cut off, fenders removed, use different handlebars and homemade rigid bars instead of shocks. I know a guy that made his handlebars using the metal legs from a kitchen chair. There was a time you made your own gaskets, used car pistons and wrist pin from a tractor on flatheads. Points were froma a car and set with a matchbook when nothing else was available. Handbangers were common and having the money for a mousetrap conversion to foot shift was the nuts.
Face life and the facts:Bikes and bikers are changing.
Jesse thinks he’s old school but not really. Jr. and Sr. are entertaining reality TV.

I watched the show with some interest and hated to see the outcome. Jessie is a craftsman ( pure and simple ). Anyone can put parts together, but to make the individual parts is a talent. Your personal life should not effect the reality of the project. The Tuttles are amusing, and there are some talented people in both camps. When its all said and done, it comes down to living the dream or being in the wind. For myself, I’ll see ya on the road !

Whatever happend to the old format of the biker build off where they build a bike and then ride it to the place where the contest will be judged Paul senior’s bike couldn’t carry a 6 pack home, looks like something for the winter, those tracks are off a ATV

The heart and soul of a motorcycle is its engine. If you dont have part of you in it then are you really a bike builder or are you an old school iron worker asshole PSR, A g** punk self proclaimed artist with artistic jucies that have to flow PJR. Or a Cali attitude decent meatal man JJ. Welders give me a break thats what they all are not motorheads. Jessie gets credit for original ideas and good skill at what he does.
The discovery channel has educated the public in the area of stupidity. Now because they watch these fools they feel like they know something. Get on a bike experience it. Form your opinons based on what you learn from working on, riding, or living the life style.
there are different bikes for different applications while jesses bike may be in some folks opinon uncomfortable for anything over ten miles, may be true. But what a thrilling 10 miles that would be. I am 58 I have two hardtails an FXR and a Buell. I personally need more than one to fit the riding application intended. I would not ride a paul Jr bike anywhere for any reason, just a bunch of non-functioning crap. I consider myself a biker with 46 years of experience and my opinion is they all suck. give me a periwitz hes a bike builder not just a welder.

I have been on bike from the age of 14 and I am 74 years old now and ride a Fat Boy. I watched the program only because Jessie was in it. You, all new that Sr. and Jr. would not build a true bike before it started. I am sure that Jessie new before it started that he would not win. It is there program.

I have been building bikes of all types and have riddin all types for 41 years. For any company that sells parts for bikes to be one sided on what a bike should be or look like should have more shame than comment . Everyone should be equal right! Lets look for the good in everyone. For the buildoff show, let it go. What is TV anyway but entertainment isnt most of it acting anyway?

Don’t take a bike builder to bolt s### together. Jesse is a dick with the ladies in his life, but he can build the f outa bikes.

Senior’s bike had tracks…what the? That’s not a bike!
Junior’s bike has freaking antlers…what the? That’s a deer!
Jesse’s bike has a hand built stainless steel front end..what the!! Yeah, that’s a real custom bike. Not a cookie cutter made from the Drag Specialties or “Paul Designs” catalog… He was married to who? Who cares. this was a bike build off not a whatever it turned into.

As far as you “Bikers” out there. don’t even want to hear from most of you. Especially the ones who whine that you couldn’t ride Jesse’s 10 miles without…whatever, pansies. You have got to be kidding me. Go polish your trailers then. May be you couldn’t but my butt has over 750,000 miles on bikes under it, I am probably old enough to be most of you all’s Dad (who know, I might be) and I sure could ride the wheels off of Jesse’s. Wouldn’t want to be seen on Juniors and only on Seniors if I can watch it burn….

and I missed the build off finale, ok, didn’t watch a single episode, was out riding one of my sidecar rigs…I too would rather be a rider than a voyeur…

Article was better than the whole damned show, thanks, I needed that.

I am still facinated by function. When you can look at a bike like you’re looking at a blazeing fire in the dead of winter, and see something new every time you look at it; well that’s being Alive!

Let these “themers’” stay in their Dead of Winter, and watch their Pee Wee Herman re-runs.

Hey there from Oklahoma! I’m in my middle fifties, goin’ to school for grapic design, Live in a small town, and ride most everyday to school for my LAST career! We all like to escape reality and feel more alive. It’s TV entertainment marketing folks! I love to watch the “art pieces” being built and adorded by the crowds. Wouldn’t we ALL like to ride one of these beauties just once? I’m not a 1% er or a rub, probably just a pcb (poor country biker) Love to dream of a new flashy bike, but come on, get real, get on what ever you ride and RIDE! ps- meet me at the bar over a brew and we can discuss our favorite bike builders and the true meaning of life..

Bikers haven’t lost their way. I don’t believe that a lot of bikers even watch the show. I watched it just to see what Jessee would build. I fast forwarded through all of the Sr and Jr crap.

All of them are assholes for sure. When paulie and senior broke up paulie started a business fabricating designer bullshit for other companies. Example was a coleman stove. Saw it at home depot. The piece of shit never left the shelves. If he was such a great “artist” i would have thought he would have sold something. As for senior and jesse james, both assholes. Senior passed his disfunctional genes down to his retards, I just hope jesse’s first wife has the insight to keep their kids far enough away from him so they don’t become assholes like their father. As for bikes, I’d rather be at a rally rather than wasting my time watching shitheads puke out how great they are.
And one other thing, I’m sure that asshole hugh king probably had a hand in the build off. Another asshole who thinks having a pony tail and money makes him the “chopper king”.
Discovery channel is just that….they discover the assholes of the world and help them make money at being the best!

Dear Big Bad Biker,

Gone are your old ways of building motorcycles in your dining room. Not bathing for weeks on end. Hopping from bar to bar trying to prove to the world, or yourself, you’re the real “bad boy”. And fighting everyone who is different that you because you hate everything different. And on the days that doesn’t work coming home to take it out on your wife and kids. Bouncing from union to union hoping one will help you keep a job , and if not put all the blame on someone across the sea or with a different skin color.

Born are the days men appreciate art and our differences. And hop on a motorcycle for a weekend ride just to take in all the worlds beauty. And the other five days are spent providing for ones family and friends. Or sitting late at night watching someone turn two shared passions into works of art. Where our past isn’t forgotten yet lies in that old project bike sitting in the garage.

Thanks to all the big bad biker dads for pointing us in the right direction in life.

Well, this doesn’t surprise me at all. Everyone Boo HOOing about Jesse not winning.
Every single bike he builds looks the same just a different color.
His brain is fried (I guess) by drugs or he is just pathetically ignorant. He can’t say an intelligent sentence he sounds like a freaking teenager.
The right person one, end of story it was about originality wasn’t it? What was original about Jesse’s???? Senior did a great job had it not been about making a BIKE. His would have been awesome and I suspect he will get orders for it.
Anyway, we need to get with the future and stop dwelling on the past. Jesse’s days are OVER unless he can come up with somthing different besides a new paint job.

That’s all well and good Patrick, but your point is kind of invalid, considering you wouldn’t ride Jesse’s bike more than 10 miles before your back hurt so much you had to stop. Jesse’s bike was no more practical than Jr’s. And Jr is a designer, that is what makes him so special. He doesn’t just build the bike, he has an imagination, a vision and he designs some amazing things. Building a bike has become the same as art, and Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Shame on all of you who behave just like Jesse. Like whiny little spoiled brats who don’t even bother trying to hide their jealousy. My dad chopped his 1970 Triumph back in the 70′s and now it sits proudly in our living room. It is a beautiful bike and it’s a bike you can get on and ride for 100 miles. Just because something doesn’t appeal to me doesn’t mean it isn’t worth appreciating. Grow up, Jesse James’ attitude is not the attitude of “True Biker”, it is the attitude of an @$$hole. And people who treat other people like $h!t deserve nothing but to be treated like $h!t themselves. Jealousy is NOT becoming on anyone, and that’s all this hate that Jesse and you all are spreading is, pure, unadulterated jealousy. For what it’s worth, Jesse would have probably won, if he’d of kept his rude comments to himself, and put a functional set of handlebars on his bike.

Paul Sr. has a another side to his company that builds production motorcycles for the general public. Most likely it’s that side of his business that would be the main finacial staple of OCC. Corporate “theme” bikes are the products that generate the Discover Channel. Pauley Jr. may have vision in the theme bike business side of it however I don’t think he would have even had the opportunity to be there if not for his father founding OCC. Now Mikey, like a masscot at a football game his roll is…well I don’t know. Jessy is a genuine builder for sure however so are alot of skilled and talented people. He builds nice choppers.

I will agree with a few points.

Sr’s bike, really wasn’t a bike, but was still a cool piece.

Jesse’s bike was ok….but did you look at the photos of his different bikes? They all look the same, in fact when looking through the photos, there were 2-3 bikes that were identical with the exception of the paint on the tank and fenders…even the exhaust layout was the same. And lets have a look at his claim that he made everything himself. Did he make the engine? NO. Did he make the wheels and tires? NO. Big deal…he made his own frame, OCC has been doing that for quite a few years now. I will give it to Jesse for making it out of Stainless….not the easiest material in the world to work with. And as far as his claim of blacksmithing, that is just a joke right? Taking a piece of pre-formed steel tubing that he bought out of a catalog, heating it up and squishing it down, is not blacksmithing. Not like he took raw steel and formed that tube on his own like real blacksmiths do. I won’t even get into what a douche bag Jesse is. He made it seem like when he was with Sandy that she kept him on a short leash and he couldn’t go out to play with the boys and build bikes….I highly doubt that she was that controlling in his life.

That brings me to Jr. First off….neither PJD or OCC build bikes to ride….that isn’t their MO (Well OCC does, or did have a production bike line, I assume they still do).

Both of these companies are contracted to build bikes for large corporations, which are never intended to be ridden like a normal bike is. They are museum/lobby pieces for people to look at. For anyone who thinks that either OCC or PJD can’t build a bike that could go down the road, give your head a shake, after doing some of the works of art, an actual road going bike would be a piece of cake for them, but….how many of you would watch the show if they build a normal stretched bobber every week? The show wouldn’t have lasted past the first season if that was the case.

As far as Sr vs Jr. Well, its like this….OCC wouldn’t be where it is today without the innovative bikes that came out of Jr’s mind while he worked there.

Guys its very simple, What ever your riding whether
it be a Cruiser, Pro Street, Crotch Rocket etc.
If your a hard core Biker Gang member or a 50 year old Frickin Lawyer, its riding that counts, its that indescribable feeling when your on the highway and listening to the purr of that motor that puts you into that Zen like state. that’s what its all about.
When im on my Fat Bob cruisin through the Canadian Rockies life just seems better for those few hours life’s good,and I aint got no problems.
So what ever Jr. does or Sr. does or what ever Jesse does we will let them do what they do best…build bikes, cause when push comes to shove they are bikers too and they feel that same sense of fulfillment when they take a road trip and at the end of the day that’s what really matters.

I’ve been a welder for 37 years and done some fabrication on the side for wll over 20 and my opinion may not stand for much but,I really didn’t start thinking about fabricating motorcycles until OCC.Theme Bikes are just that,theme bikes and thats what JR.does and thats all he does.And about it being a popularity contest , you’re right but lets face it if your’e not popular you’re out of buisness. Now to tell you the truth I didn’t like any of them. If I can’t ride them doing the kind of riding I do I’m not interested. Being in my mid fifties I’m more going for comfort in my scoot , and if I can add a little style to it I’m a happy camper. I’m looking not only for something different and something I can ride.SR. probably thought he was building something different but evedently he has never seen a snowmobile and also I think according to what I see on the show SR gives Jason way to much power over the build. But than again if he gets rid of Jason who is going to design the bike. What killed it for SR. was his past attitude toward JR. and if he would of went with his gut meaning (old school) JR wouldn’t have even been in the equasion.When I retire from my current job I plan on building motorcycles full time, I already have some great idea’s. When I do get started you’ll know. Just look for (Fat Bastards Custom Cruisers). See ya’ll then.

I agree with almost everyones comments, except for one thing, I am 21 and have been riding since I was in diapers. Jesse’s bike was by far the one I would love to ride home. The “old school” guys ain’t goin away it just so happens that y’all don’t see them at shows with $125000 bikes, we are just simply ridin around these little old towns.

Hear! Hear! – rode my 89 FLHTC 9000 miles last summer on two week long adventures. See ya at the campsite – I’ll be the real biker w/250K H-D ridden miles behind me, hopefully many more ahead, a smile on my face offering you a cold beer. dano in oHIo sends…

Unfortunately, it’s not unique to bikers…or quasi-bikers. I started my riding on a Sportster back in the early 70′s. I was a kid, yet I rode decent distances, and by myself. Always felt that as a biker, I was part of a unique and independent culture. I treasured thefreedom that came with the rode. I got wet one day, hot the next, and cold another. DAMN but it was good to feel so alive!

I recall when electric start became the norm, and thought it was a commie plot! The truth is we’re an utterly superficial society. Fast food, fast answers, appearance over substance…and worse. With all due respect to PJD and the folks at OCC, they are the arguably the masters of the genre…appearance over substance. VERY creative and talented folks, but as ol Jesse pointed out, it’s not likely any one of them could create a bike from scratch. Jesse represents the very stand-alone creativity and independence that literally marked our nation…until the past few years. But why are we surprised? Entertainers today are selected as much for being attractive as they are for any talent. And for the singer who can’t actually hit a note or stay on key, we have computers that will “adjust” their work so that it sounds like it should as opposed to what they actually delivered. Why do you think we all reacted when Susan Boyle sand like an angel? Not a terribly attractive woman, and she certainly needs no help from a technician. But she doesn’t fit our idea of what a super-performer should look like. And it carries over to everything else in our little world…even to bike builders and riders! I was amazed when I learned that there were people who trailered their rides a few miles to the weekly local big bike gathering, parking their trucks and trailers a few blocks away, and riding in like they actually rode! Good Lord. But the truth is we all must accept part of the blame for tolerating the superficiality. Me, I just want to build an old-school bobber to run around on. And if given the choice, let me rider with Jesse. He might leave me wondering what the Hell he’s thinking now and then, but I have no doubt that his friendship, like his words, will be real.

Jesse is definitely an absolute artist, but let’s not pretend that his bikes are “practical”. I love to look at his creations and certainly appreciate his extraordinary talent, but I’m in pain just looking at his bikes. I can’t imagine sitting in one of his saddles for 10 or 15 thousand miles a year. That actually holds true for most of the “custom” builders. Great to ride it down to the “gathering” but beyond that…

Hi Patrick,

I am a biker through & through. I am knees in the breeze at 19 degrees at times and I could not agree more….it’s all about the journey……not the destination!

Well said my brother!

YEAH!!! the only thing worse that “jr” beating Jesse is……somebody writing yet another article about how there are no more “real bikers” and everyone (exept the author of the article of course!) is a rub……

Wake up people, we’re talking TV here, who the f@*k cares what Jessie or Jr builds, it’s on because people want to watch it, it’s entertainment, and loads of people have nothing better to do.
Do I think one or the other is a better bike builder? It’s my opinion, everyone has one (they’re like ass holes, every one has one and they all stink, except mine)
Jessie states “I want something I can ride” I ride, and it sure as hell isn’t some uncomfortable, look around the gas tank, no suspension, idea of what Jessie thinks is cool.
After a show like Monster Garage, how he can sit there and belittle someone for building junk, is beyond me, although no moron ever sat there while his show was on and whined about how he wasn’t a car builder.
I used to watch the segments of West Coast Choppers, like I watch American Choppers, when I have nothing better to do, but I wouldn’t ride some of the crap he built, as I wouldn’t be caught on any of the bikes on American Chopper.
It’s entertainment, GET OVER IT!!!
And for Patric Garvin, and sucking the soul out of bike building, where would J&P be without some of those wanna be bike builders watching shows like this, and getting the itch to make they’re bike theirs?

Enjoyed the article and comments and I agree. In a cookie cutter world its nice to have guys break the cutter and do it the old fashioned way. I aint some kinda badass or 1% guy but enjoy going to church in a harley shirt cause its what i am. I get branded a problem child at work because when they ask my opinion,, i give it even if unpopular.. Hats off to the guys who still do it for the love and not for the TV fame even though Jr does have talent,,, Jesse does it his way

As a Harley owner (Streetglide & Ultra), I enjoy the journey and the destination, becuase regradless if you have or have not picked out a destination the journey is still worthwhile. I consider myself a biker because I ride any chance I get whatever the weather, I am not a 1% nor do I chose to become one, just to claim “I am a biker” status, I don’t need the tricked out, over the top show bikes that everyone seems to be clamoring for over the past ten years. All artist (Sr, Jr, JJ)have ego’s whether or not they chose to acknowledge it, and when they find something that works they tend to stick with it, especially if it’s a money maker and even if it’s not that practical to ride(Jr). Then there’s the longevity, how long have they been building, how long will they stay building(Sr)? Lastly, how how did they get recognized, what was their noteriety(JJ)? All of them are very talented, but there is no need to bash folks all the time, whatever happened to civility and good sportsmanship. Just give me a bike thats reliable, comfortable, and doesn’t require an engineering degree to fix. That’s all I’ve got to say…it’s time to ride!!

I read most of the posts here and still didn’t see a very valid point that irritates the hell out of me. Again this is my opinion,.. Like Jesse said “they decorate cakes”, Vinny said it to “the proof is in the puddin” Yes Jesse is a dick but I am an a hole so maybe that’s why I look past his attitude. Paul Jr. can and does think up some imaginitive stuff HOWEVER I watched Jesse work as a true craftsman and BUILD a bike, As usual I watched all of Jr’s guy assemble a bike that is watch JJ was talking about. What happened to personal pride in american craftsmanship? I make my own parts more by neccesity than desire but even if I had a million dollars I would probably still be more content with making my own parts It’s that pride in what you can do that seems to be lost in this country especially in my generation the “entitlement” generation wtf good day oh and jesse good job

Jesse built a better bike with more tallent working metal is an art that he has masterd and he built a real Bike that can be riden not a piece of crap that looks pretty but cant go as far as a sporty screw the tutles and there drama Jesse James Won it

I think Jesse is a has been jerk his gas tank looked like it came off a Honda SL 70 he couldn’t even see the road for the front end of the bike was higher than his head. that bike look like 100 other bikes at daytona.jesse also bragged about building the bike alone and wasn’t worried about the dead line in the end he crying like a baby and thanking his friends for saving his ass.Jrs bike was different than anything Ive seen lately and looked cool and old school Sr is a joke he don’t even turn a wrench and that crap his employees designed on the computer was more like a kit car prefab.

1. A “real” biker wouldn’t even do the show.
2. JJ talked so much crap I wanted him to lose just to shut him up.
3. All three builders had ” teams” . Paul jr was the only one humble enough to embrace it and share the spotlight with them.
4. U can put more gas in jr.s bike, the “real” chopper looks like your destination should be the chiropractors office.

Don’t much care for Jesse. Don’t much care for Jr. Don’t much care for Sr. Never really have. If you think any of these are “bikers”; just a label. What a “biker” has become? It’s cool to be bad… Since the 80′s being a “biker” had become very cool, for all the wrong reasons. However, the new “biker” saved Harley Davidson and has kept afloat the whole of the industry. Take the good with the bad and move on. Never let others define who you are, one way or another.

PJD builds bikes that you can’t ride.Jesse builds good riding bikes from nothing,let PJD try to do that by himself! Jr can’t build a tank if he tried. Lets have a build off one on one and then every one will see who the best builder is PJD won’t even make the deadline. He don’t build like Jesse said ” Jr gets a frame and throws a tank and fender on it and calls it his.That is not building a bike!

You are right. Bikers have become a bunch of women. Paul Jr is a p***y and I’m really surprised he hasn’t come out of the closet.

Ya know, everybody is getting their undies in a bunch as to ridable and unridable. I liked Paul’s, liked Jesse’s as well. Neither one looked like a “rider” to me. Paul’s had a gallon of gas, and Jesse’s looked like my back and knees would give out before I hit the city limits. Why not tell the builders that they would have to have someone else ride their bike 500 miles a day for 2 days? I used to like the old build-offs, where the builders would ride their bikes to a common destination. Common sense dictated a bike build in those cases. And Jesse was an ass. Paul didn’t build to Jesse’s specs so he was wrong? I like riding, but hate having someone tell me I’m wrong because I don’t have the same style? Once you get the stainless rod out of your ass, you become a better person and a better manager.

Now, as you have already figured out by my name, I am a female commenting on a typical male subject. Due to health issues I no longer ride but love seeing a good bike and especially the “old school” bikes! I earned my right to ride a “couch on wheels” by riding as a passenger on a hard tail Knucklehead with a “buddy seat” on the fender for over 2 years, so I know alittle about bikes. With all this said, I think Jesse built a bike that any biker would be proud to own. I don’t care about his personal life or what his relationship with PJD or OCC is, I like that he builds MOTORCYCLES! I agree with an earlier comment that PJD missed their opportunity to go out and build on their own without a theme to inspire them. I can’t remember seeing Senior even touch their track vehicle during the build. Senior let one of the young guys design it and everyone else built it. In looking at the final three projects that was put on the stage and knowing it was a BBO, I was very surprised that PJD won. Yes, I know it is show about JR and SR, and yes the young folks feel that JR and Mikey were done wrong by their father, but this was a bike build off, not a popularity contest. Good luck Jesse! PJD and OCC will continue to build the same things and will continue their fight with one another, all for the sake of money! Sad that these two would put money before family! Senior is a big a**hole, but Junior has an over inflated ego that makes him have a big head, they both need to move on and get over it! Discovery should make a show about Mikey, at least he is fun to watch!

Reality TV for motorcycles. I do not believe these three do not represent the best of riding and building.
They are examples of the ego and conceit that TV and the press use to dramatize our culture. These people do not represent me or my riding friends and never will.

Wow, look how much passion this has stirred up. If We didn’t have “Dreamers” and “Visionaries” that can come up with new ideas and push the envelope of design We would all be walking. Don’t Y’all understand that back in the 60s, Chopper builders were thought of just like a lot of You “Old School” Dudes are thinking of Paul Jr. In other words, they were ruining Motorcycles by stretching the frames and front ends and painting them in outlandish colors. They were not considered to be anything more than Rebels who had to be different. It seems that the Folks who like Jesse are just like Jesse, dis-respectful of everyone who is not exactly like them, You simply MUST Love Choppers and ONLY Choppers and You have to cuss and treat Women like Slaves and if You can’t do Your own repairs You are a Pus#y. I got some news for You, There are no bigger posers than Y’all. I can build a Boat all by myself but that doesn’t make Me any better than any other Living Soul and none of You Jesse James fans are any better than any of the People that You live to put down. If You can’t respect a Person for what they are it’s because You don’t respect Yourself and You’re just too STUPID to understand that EVERYBODY has value and just because some Folks are better fabricators than other Folks, it doesn’t make them “Worth” more than the next Person. I LOVE my FXDSE2 but due to numerous Neck surgeries I can’t ride long enough to leave the State but I can fix it if it needs fixing and it means the World to Me to be able to put it in the wind even if I’m not an IronButt. You see there’s a reason for everything and if You don’t know the reason You have NO Right to criticize. All You Haters need to wake up and smell the coffee, if You can’t say something nice just Shut The Hell Up and if You can’t spell You should learn how to and stop showing Your lack of education to the entire World by criticizing talented designers that are shaping the Future just because You don’t like or understand it!
Sr. and Jesse have something in common though, neither one will talk to a shrink because they are too afraid to find out how wrong and cruel they have been to the People that should have mattered most to them so they’ll continue to Hurt the People that Love them and that’s a Crying Shame that makes them BOTH Much less of a Man.

Jessies bike was the best, but as usual he boasts up front as to doing it all himself and at the last minute calls in a crew to “help” finish it. One more thought Jessie, forward controls.

I won’t talk about the two jerks and the brat. It’s about the two bikes. Neither could be ridden a long distance. JJ’s bike would be dangerous for its lack of visibility, and ride like a buckboard. The hand made gas tank had no symmetry. It was bigger on one side than it was on the other. On the other hand Jrs’ bike had good visibility, huge diameter tires and a rear suspension. Even with no padding on the seat, it would be like riding on a cloud. The seating position was miles ahead. put the exhaust and gas where they belong, and it’s ready for the long haul. Niether looked great, but it had originality. Screw the theme.

They should have allowed one more entry, the last guy at the end of the H-D assembly line with the last bike that came off the line. He would have had my vote.

I remember when (choppers) ment chopping a bunch of arguably unnessessary stuff off a stock bike to make it look cooler or go faster.
I know all these bikes were built from the ground up,yet I feel Jesse’s came closer to the spirit of what a chopper should be. I’d love to see a show where the builder has to take a stock(insert brand of choice) motorcycle and CHOP it! After all for most of us at home mechanics this is the only method available to those of us without a fully stocked machine shop.

Anybody that wants to say that Jesse or Paul Sr. Jr. are not Bikers in every true sense of the word has never tried or built a Bike of their own . A guy that can weld a damn aluminium gas tank after beating the thing out on an english wheel or can ride his creation from LA to Sturgis has my total respect. Stop the funny business whos the best and get your ass into the garage and try to top em ! See how easy it is to roll your own….And quite frankly, if ya didn’t build it yourself, even if its taped & wired in primer, You ain’t shit ….Real Bikers build their own machines, Wantabees buy em !

well i was hopin jessie would win but i knew he wouldnt he built a no nonsense ridable bike and thats what bike building is all about you ought to see the 81 shovelhead i built email me and i’ll send ya a pic thats bike building and i did it in my garage course i had it painted elsewhere but the rest right here in my garage and i dont need to be on no show arguin with my dad

All of you so called “bikers” need to move it of the stone age. Being a Bad Ass Biker who is a rebel and who breaks all the rules is as out of date as all of your replies. Build offs should evolve just like any other industry. This build off was comparing apples, oranges and bananas. For those of you praising and basically drooling over JJ, didn’t recognize the build of his bike. Yes, he was impressive as he built the springer front end by hand but did anyone recognize the ride? He could barely see over te handle bars. In this modern day of build offs that should at least be taken into consideration. All of the Paul Jr haters don’t hate his bikes but hate that he doesn’t fit your ideal of what a biker is. If he built the same bikes but cursed, cheated on his gf or wife and was foul mouthed witty you all would love him. Get out of the stone age.

I too had the sinking feeling that Paul Jr.’s bike would win. What a shame that real bikes have gone out of style in favor of these “theme bikes”. Things have a way of coming full circle though and what’s cool in 1971 will be cool sometime in the future. We’ve come through the “second golden age of bikes” in the late 90′s-early 2000′s. I guess there something to be said for the Tuttles, they seem to be the last man standing. God I wish Indian Larry wouldn’t have fallen off his bike. We started losing our way right after that.

There was a Christmas bike for the kiddies on American Chopper, okay, I get that. People hate his dad, I get that too. But this is blatant B.S. (P.S. what’s next, yet another web bike?)

While in spirit I agree with your comments and yes I too voted for Jesse’s bike one needs to remember that the the Discovery Channel only wants viewer share. To the bike purists that truly appreciate all that Jesse hand built in his bike the only true winner in a true custom build would be Jesse. However the viewing demographic that the Discovery Channel appeals to en mass probably voted for Paul Jr because he is such a like able guy. Much like American Idol and so many other reality shows, the end result has more to do with who is more popular than who produced the best product.

To the author of this article – you rock! Tell it like it is brother! Was hopin somebody could put down the way I was feelin after watching that travisty of justice on discovery channel! I read through a good portion of the comments and yes everyone is got their opinion but most can agree this so called build-off was a sham. Popularity won PJDs position, not the true nature of the build! Jesse James, regardless of any personal opinion built a bike- plain and simple from scratch! The man built his own frame for god sake. And yes he was assisted by others but only to meet the deadline. Pjd’s entry was yet another two wheeled chandalier built to be on a revolving pedestal. Seniors entry did however catch my eye- websters dictionary of a bike or not, that was a pretty cutting edge creation. The flame throwers…well…. Did I mention my man Jesse built his own frame?!! In my neck of the woods we had a bike show at a local drive in for bikes, I remember one looser came up to me and said “Wow-is that a orange county chopper?” That comment pissed me off for two reasons – One was the fact that this idiot couldn’t even fathom somebody can build their own custom in their back yard from scratch, and two was the fact that OCC was becoming the embodiment for custom bike building to every idiot that owned a Harley Davidson shirt and drove a chevy cavalier.
I may be old school But the godfathers like Indian Larry put the true meaning into built customs. Jesse James emulates that in his own way, build it and ride the shit out of it! If you don’t like it then get back in your prius and head to walmart to get another live to ride shirt!

Congratulations to Paul Jr. on winning the big Discovery Biker Build Off. He clearly had the most innovative and crafted bike of them all. The bike Jesse built was alright, but it looked just like the bikes he was building 15 years ago, nothing new or innovative at all. It was kind of funny that at the beginning of the show he said he was going to build it all himself with one other guy, then half way through the show he brings in 7 guys from Austin Speed Shop that ended up bailing him out. But in the end, not even his juvenile smack talk could sway the vote in his direction. In my opinion Jesse James act, as well as his bikes are very tired. He needs to vault into the millennium with some fresh ideas if he is ever going to be a factor again.

Some criticize Jr’s bike because it is not a long rider. But his bike was nothing different than you see at the Top 50 bike show in Sturgis every year. Very few of those bike are road worthy either, but yet they are billed as the top bikes of the world. I don’t remember seeing any rules where the bike had to have a range on it. Do you really think a Road Glide with a 30 inch front tire is anything more than a bar hopper either? Jesse couldn’t even see over his tank, he had to keep looking off to the side. His stuff is TIRED. It was relevant 10 years ago, but if he is going to be among the bike building elite again, he needs to freshen up and quit mailing it in to feed his own ego.

Jesse won this. A real biker knows his bike. Paul Jr puts in a order from some over seas company to make his frame, tanks. Jesse makes it him self. Jesse is a real bike builder. Great job Jesses

I find it first of all – amazing, a contest sponsored by discovery channel – that needs paul jr designs to attract the people – yet when I tried to vote 3 different times on 2 different computers, it automatically placed me on paul jrs bike. Not to take away from paul’s guys hard work but let me see if I understand – the object was to build a “non ” themed motorcycle that would run as well as it looked – saying that there should only have been 1 bike on stage. Would we see this overdrama if we were to see jesse james – arlen ness & the legendary indian larry ( may he rest in peace ) on stage. NO we would have seen 3 of the greatest builders ever compete to show their true abilities in order to advance the motorcycle population, not to reassure a spot on discovery tv’s monday night lineup – definately disapointed with the final result

I think the reality is that most of the people that took the time to vote were not really bikers, they were likely house wives and guys that have wanted to have a bike their whole lives but have never pulled the trigger or their wives won’t let them so they watch AC to get their jollies. Anybody that is a real biker could see how stupid jr. Bike looked. 30″ wheels???? Seriously? That was friggin ***!! JJ is the mfing man!!! Ss Steel is a biatch to work with!!! Btw it seams to have escaped everybody that sr. Knew he was going to lose before they started because he said it was a popularity contest so they might as well build something over the top. Translation… If I build the best bike OCC is capable of and go get beat bad we are really going to look bad and that is going to be bad to business. Instead, let’s build something that can not be measured against a motorcycle! I got it….. A stupid snowmobile designed by an idiot that doesn’t ride!!

For me it is about the ride. I paid $125 for my first bike in 1978. Been a lot of miles since then. Don’t care for show anything…. I prefer to look at a good sunset in the desert from the road. These TV shows are a distraction, but admit it has created a lot of interest. Have a lot of friends with bikes, but not too many really ride. It seems like a lonely world, but I like it that way.
I am realistic about things and sorry JJ lost. I am glad people are buzzing about it and spend money on the shiny things.
Ride Safe My Brothers!

Jessie”s bike wins hands down. Jessie is a biker. You NEVER see Junior on the show riding a bike other than test riding a new theme bike. Every episode you see Junior driving to work in his TOYOTA TRUCK. Jessie has cars and trucks also, but they’re custom cars and hot rods. We have met Jessie at the rallies on a motorcycle. Junior shows up in a car or truck. Bikers don’t need TV’s approval to survive.

Jesse bike was badass and was made by not only by his own hands but by his hart and soul. he made a bike that you can ride and look good riding it. Paul Jr.
may have won on the show but Jesse won by his fans

lol i watched to boob tube to see jesse kick but and saw what? commercial comsummerisum (owned by the corps – the big man -the crap ola -the reason i have lived as bikers like for 48 years) display its self, pandering to those limp d*ck turds that i can’t stand. never have been able to connect to the social-ness of buy me shit cause its hip.

oh will i see you have thrown your hat into the fire by spiking the water cooler. ya know that attutude will get you fired. the man dont like it when the bikers have an oppion that the fat cats dont give us, in small doses (so they can soak ya for every F’n dime)

i guess you can see i didnt like discovery’s God F’n awful display for the world to see as if it was the Cats Ass. oh will there goes my hat.

i didnt like jesse’s bike other than it was fuctional. straight up and down it worked. lol my age i would have been more attuned to it if it had been a soft tail/swing arm bike, but hell i like the old shit ya know i kinda fit that crap.

the old mans bike was way to much. i wouldnt ever ride one of those wheel chairs but the traks are cool and the riding position was novel. but hell here in alaska we ride things that have traks all the time. they are called snow machines not motorcycles.

enough snivelling the Discovery channel missed the boat. thinking that the motorcycle comunity is so agogled by glam and glits. well i do like glam hmmm on a big topped sweetie with a small waist. glits needs to be from the 4 or 5 pieces of crome. (pipes count as 2) other than that i dont need a silver single sided bike that has mirrors on the tank.

in my assesment of the SHOW it was a fail.

the big A (ness) really did the community a disservice by making bikes that were to cool back in the 70′s.

hmmmm seems i have had a senior moment or three i dont remember shit of what i wanted to say. other than DISCOVERY is a big disappointment. the blue baby jesse rode to sturgis was a flook, it was a one off never to be repeated. every thing since has been a failed attempt to redo remake recreate that few moments that was cool and worked. the fluppels are just that a flop. oh ya they got a pile of coin and a big shop but is that real? do real men operating real motorcycles really have lives so lame? i think not. my live is anything but who do i pay to be around me so i can yell at them. those i will not have in my shop let alone touch my bike.

ramble rant ride

Jesse is nothing but a blow heart. He screwed up his life, so he thinks by insulting the OCC and PJD crowd he will work his way back into the public. He builds average stuff. He overcharges for that junk just like evryone else. Man! did he disapear after the winner was annouced….What a wimp!

I apologize for interrupting all of you “badass” bikers, but let me share some insight from the rest of us (99%er) motorcyclist. We actually don’t have time to debate you because we’re busy riding.

What cracks me up is that NONE of the bikes in the buildoffs (like most of the “chopper” world in general) are ridable. Hell, Jesse is talking crap and he’s only got a 2 1/2 to 3 gallon gas tank. Truly if that is what makes you a “badass” pay attention so that you don’t wander in the world of the real badasses (They’re not on choppers).

Real motorcyclist aren’t riding any of these “useless” bar to bar bikes, and we don’t have a friggin TV show. We actually have a lot of miles on our bikes, because we ride them. You know, we don’t stop until we have at least a 1000 miles logged in for the day

Just grab an old “Bike Trader” magazine (if you can find one) or go online and you will see all of those $50,000 dollar choppers with “low miles” as the ad states (1K to 3K) and the bike is 3 to 6 years old.
Most of those guys are “wannabees.”

The reason all of these choppers have so low of miles is because you couldn’t ride that piece of crap (no bags, no windshield, what a joke!) farther than your local gas station, local bar, or local bike show (to pick up your $25 trophy).

NOW, the last issue I’ll bring up is this: Please pay attention: EVERY SINGLE TIME THAT PJD BUILDS A BIKE AND BRINGS IT TO A SHOW. HE WINS. HE WINS ALL OF THEM AND WILL CONTINUE TO WIN ALL OF THEM BECAUSE THERE IS NO COMPETITION FOR HIM ON THIS PLANET. PERIOD!

God has sent him here to overturn the applecart. His visions are intergalactic! His thought process can’t be matched. We truly are blessed to witness his creations, as they are so much more than simply another (Jesse James”) chopper.

So after you cuss me out and call me bad names and talk shit about me (while I’m gone riding) just stick your head back into the twisted springer frontend and grab a beer and go back to the dinosaur thinking that your used to.

So…..my 2 cents for all its worth. Sr didnt build a bike! JJ built an ole skool chopper that can be seen anywhere and anytime. Hmmm bike in a box! I do agree that he is the better bike building craftsman. He has mastered the skill of building a bike. But this wasnt just about building a bike. It was about a competition. And Paul Jr built the best bike for the competition.
I love it when people talk about riding their Harleys and they wont ride nothing else. I also like going to Daytona and Myrtle Beach bike weeks and seeing how many trailors are littering the hotel parking lots. If you said it….$15,000.00 & a coupke thousand miles dont make you a biker….the same can be said for $25,000.00 & a trailor doesnt make you a biker either. Ive got 26,000 miles this year on my V Star 1300 & I ride it almost daily to include from SC to Daytona several times. I travel with a tent n sleeping bag and will sleep where I find a place or get tired of riding. BTW, I only paid $6,800.00 for my V Star. So all you wanna be bikers who Bi&$@ and complain about the build off…your misled cause it was all about the most out of the box and not an everyday bike nor a “Machine” as Sr called his.

Its all just a big build up for the next season of American Choppers
I personally did not like anything I saw on the show
and what the hell was the dad thinking when he built a monster snow mobile for a bike build off,
Bikes should be built to ride not to look at

Paul Jr Builds theme bikes and thats what is stuffed down discovery audiances throat and he builds them greatbetter than anyone

Jessy is a true biker who built a badass bike the true biker didnt vote he was out havein a beer and riding

Paul sr is just a moron

Ok i am gona say it, that red and white thing at the top of the page looks like something a *** would ride.

With all the comments about who builds the best “shine mobile”, I’m pretty sure my comment will get “lost in the wash”…but here goes anyway! I am 63 years old, been riding since 1964, (do the math, I was 14 then)…in MY DAY, it was not about who had the neatest chrome, the most bad chopper, the best “bling”…nope, it was about the love of a bike first and foremost. Did not matter if it was a Harley, Triumph, BSA, Honda, Yamaha…or any brand for that matter. It was about skill of riding, (hill climbs and hare – hound races were very popular with us then)…we got our hands on the cheapest ride possible, spent countless hours working on the bike (made plenty mistakes too, part of the learning curve!), enjoyed the heck out of fellow bikers (yep, even 1% er’s respected the average Joe, as long as we did not invade their “thing”, they were ok to us kids).

What happened? Is it now unfashionable to enjoy the “ride” rather than the brand? I never once saw someone with a “bling mobile” off the beaten path …example, how many “cruisers” actually take the dirt road turn off just to see where it goes? Oh my..got the “bling” dirty! Soap and water restore the bling, not exploring opportunity cannot be restored!

Folks, I’m just an old geezer, still riding on my beater (750 Honda AERO), enjoying the heck exploring the Big Island of Hawaii (lived here now 12 years and have seen maybe 30% of the island because of all the “side trips”) …… enjoy folks what you have, not what “stands out” …. treat your fellow riders with respect, who knows, next time you break down (and you will sooner or later) some old geezer riding a non popular bike just might be the person that saves your butt! Skill is 95% knowledge, results are only 5% sweat!

Oh well……….

Sure Paul Jr builds interesting bikes as does PAUL Sr.
That build off Sr was totally out of the running. Paul Jr did build a Fine Bike, BUT Jesse James built a motorcycle that you could get on and ride.
Jr’s bike was cool but Jesse’s bike was the winning MOTORCYCLE at that contest.

PJD’s bike was innovated, Jesse James is a loud mouth
punk, he blew his chance years ago. PJD will be around a long time, Jesse James is done, cooked, over!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think Paul Jr’s bike looked like a freaking tractor. In a real build-off the builders meet with their bikes, look them over and then ride them 500 or so miles and then they are judged. I doubt Paul Jr has ever ridden anything other than a motorhome 500 miles. Jesse is a real biker. The reason PJD won is because bikers voted for Jesse, couch potatos and wannabes voted for Paul Jr. Jesse builds bikes. Paul Jr builds trailer queens.

If you required those voting to have a motorcycle license or if you had Sturgis attendees do the judging Jesse would’ve won hands down. Too many damn soccer moms who feel sorry for poor PJ so they vote for him, they don’t know dick about bikes. Like Jesse had said, PJD and OCC are just cake decorators…..

I ride a relatively stock bagger and go long distance. I wouldn’t want to go a 600-mile day on Jesse’s bike or more than a mile on the other two. I do, however, enjoy watching the process of making parts, and all three bikes had some interesting problems to solve. Many of the parts they made or technical problems they overcame were not easy. As far as you could see on TV the craftsmanship was outstanding. (Maybe not up close in person?) It’s just too bad the overall theme was not better defined and a certain distance in real-world riding required of the final result. Then we might have seen a bike I would want to own. These were all circus freaks that you didn’t really want to look at but you found yourself staring in morbid fascination anyway. I think we all knew the outcome in advance.

I just dont know about this article or the show.
First, this article is coming from a company that sells all the stuff you were just railing on. What?

Next, I have seen all three of them build better looking and ride-able bikes.
They all were pretty much over the top non-riders, unless riding to the end of the street is the idea.

It was all for the television ratings – bottom line. Most people think this is the life of a biker…..Only real bikers will really know….I’ve been bik’n for 43 years and still love it……..let the cage drivers think this is something that is a biker build-off cause all our whining will not change it. Keep it between the ditches…..

IT’S ABOUT TIME THAT SOMEONE NOTICED THAT THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHS. prd HAS HAD EVERYTHING HANDED TO HIM ON A SILVER PLATTER.HE CRIES ON TV ABOUT HOW HE IS SUCH A MISTREATED SON OF AN OLD SCHOOL BIKER. BU THAT MAN HE CRIES ABOUT GAVE HIM EVERYTHING HE OWNES,INCLUDING THE KNOWLEGE HE HAS.INSTEAD OF THANKING THEIR FATHER,THOSE KIDS OF HIS,WHINE THAT HE DIDN’T LOVE THEM ENOUGH.WHILE SR. WAS BUILDING A $MILLION COMPANY,jr AND mikey WERE PLAYING GRABASS IN SCHOOL. jr DIDN’T BUILD ANYTHING. IT WAS GIVEN TO HIM. AFTER SPIDER WEBBING EVERTHING HE COULD,HE GOES TO HIS SHOP AND THE FIRST THING HE BUILDS IS A @#$%^& WEB BIKEAS HIS FIRST MASTERPIECE. I’VE WASTED ENOUGH TIME WATCHING THIS CRAP,SO I QUIT.

What a load of crap!
All these whiners and crybabies makes me want to puke!
If you can’t build what you ride..then you should be in a cage…period!

F*** Jesse James and Paul jr. I’d rather have my old shovelhead stroker than anything i’ve ever seen either of them build. I built the motor and tranny and did all my own fabrication in a garage,,,,without a million dollar budget or tool box. Loser’s. You wanna build your own motors? ,,,and we can race,,then we will show you posers for what you really are,,,,,LAME!

I watch the show just to see what they come up with next. I couldn’t do any of it so I just watch and enjoy what they do. Anybody who can take a flat sheet of steel and come up with a round gas tank is pretty talented in my book. They don’t influence my life in any way no matter what they build. Building every nut and bolt makes you talented but it doesn’t make you a better or worse person than anyone who doesn’t even change their own oil. I ride a factory built Honda VTX (made in Ohio) it runs like a top and will outlast me many times over. I ride by myself in only good weather and I avoid cities like the plagues that they are. I don’t give a damn about being a biker or even being thought of as a biker. I’m a motorcycle rider and I guarantee my stock Honda is more comfortable than any bone-shaking Harley. Who gives a damn what you ride. If you do all that really says is I care what other people think about how little my weinie is. BFD! I will never go to Sturgis or any any other giant rally. Too many jackasses thinking they’re cool trying to look cooler than the next guy. How does building your own bike and riding 50,000 miles a year make you better than me or anyone else. If you want to fine, but don’t judge me and call me a pretender. I am only pretending to give a shit about your opinion. This isn’t against Harleys or their riders just the superior attitude they seem to have. Shut up and ride!

OK OK, relax folks. Reality TV LMAO!! Come, comparing this builds, note I didn’t say bikes, was like comparing apples to orange or sh– to Shinola. Sr., WTF was that thing? It wasn’t a bike. Jr., ok I personally have met Jr., and he’s a good kid, but his builds are for SHOW and only for SHOW. Jesse, not one of my favorites by any means, but his build was a bike, and I voted as such. The BIKERS voted for Jesse, but this was NOT a vote for a bike build, this was a popularity contest. Sr. knew he was going to come in 3rd, so I’m confident that’s why he went with Jason’s WTF design. That and OCC has been doing some experimenting with battery powered machines, thus, the green light from Sr. to see what they could do.

All this, coupled with the fact this was for TV, for RATINGS, for the POPULOUS (not bikers) who do you think was going to win, it was over before it started. As I said, I’ve met Jr., he’s a good guy, has talent, but this build was actually NOT one of his better SHOW BIKES in my mind.

Riders know what’s what, relax, there’s always been posers, and there always will be. FORGETABOUTIT AND RIDE BROTHERS AND SISTER RIDE – remember that’s what it’s about, and you can’t ride a show bike. One gallon tank, yea ok, that’s a bike, my snowblower has a bigger tank, and wheels, but I don’t think it’s a bike!!

i sick of pjdicks!!!!! i want to ride not put the kick stand down and look at it!! my own bike is a primer black bobber with apes and i love it! jessie should have won

Jessie James came across like a complete bag of wind. He made me think that perhaps beavis and butthead could use a new friend. He began bragging of all his skills, then promptly brought in a “team” to actually build that bridge girder of a “bike”??? Think i saw that thing in a cheech and chong movie once, and on every page of every easyrider mag. Jessies company went out of business, right? Jrs. bike was a navy flyers ad. and Sr.s thing was…well a thing. I wouldnt ride any of those things around the block for fear someone might see me on it. Would love to see their faces as I blow past all of them on my production 1250 Suzuki Bandit for which i paid 8 grand off the showroom floor. All just t.v. hype to stir up comments like……..like mine.

Jesse James definitly should have one the Bike Build off. I took the time to go on line and vote for him. I was supprised how many people that I talked to the day after the show, that were bitchin about Jr. winning, but didn’t get up off there asses to vote for Jesse. Jesse James can build anything from scratch by hand. However, you trying to put Roland Sands in the same catagory as Jesse James is B.S. Roland might be a good designer, but he can’t build a bike from scratch. He has to have a Team, just like Paul Jr. That’s what we saw in the real Biker Build off compititions a few years ago, Roland and a Team of builders and assembliers. There’s not to many Bike Builders that have the talent and skills that Jesse James has. He’s the real deal!

I guess I am a breed a part. I can remember when it was proper to compliment your fellow man, too bad that isn’t the case anymore. Jesse James in every turn uses ridicule and tuff talk.

He is not someone that I can honestly say I would buy a bike from, due to the fact of the way he talks. If I bought a bike from him, and had a problem, would he talk about me the way he talks about others when the problem is the quality of the bike he built? There is an old saying, “People who live in glass houses, shouldn’t throw stones.” Jesse should take heed and deal with his mouth. Cocky is one thing, full of your self is another. Paul Jr showed class by not talking trash, as did Paul Sr.

Now I always ask those wannabes that wear their OCC ball cap, or those that have the OCC sticker on the back of their pickup truck where is their OCC chopper. I haven’t yet had one say to me, right over here. I get the same thing when I see the West Coast Chopper shirts. But, when I see someone wearing an HD shirt more than likely I will see that they really ride.

As far as whose bike is best? I can tell you it is my 2003 FXSTI, that has a lot of parts from J&P on it and I guess I have customized it to my tastes. Yes I rode the iron butt and butt burner in one trip on it, I have ridden in the snow, rain, sleet, and dust storms. I have put nearly 40,000 miles on it, it still looks like new, and runs like new, and I will be happy to ride it anywhere even if it is to work and back.

Whose bike is best? It is the one you ride, and make your own! Not some T.V. reality star, or a life failure with a big mouth, and thinks he is the grace that has been placed on earth to lead us to our bike loving salvation.

Yeah…it’s jst a TV show, but some are fun to watch. I’ve had several bikes and take pride in doing what work I can on them. Let’s all just enjoy the ride and let the pipes do the talking.

Real bikers build their own bikes. Yuppies have Sr or Jr build them. They both build their bikes with V-Twin Taiwanese crap parts. Say what you want about Jesse but but the man has real talent!

hey pat…read your thoughts on the build off…have never read you in the past and will certainly avoid reading you in the future…judging from this shallow diatribe, i can only surmise that you are a short sighted fool…bikers have lost their way?…please…you are obviously out of touch with reality…99 percent of bikers possess and appreciate the personal integrity that jesse lacks…just because you ride a bike doesn’t mean you have to act like a jerk…one percenters my ass!…you don’t need full sleeves and mc’s living on the fringes of society to enjoy the freedom that riding affords…at least junior took the high road and didn’t talk smack…and as for the bikes, none of them rode worth shit…why?…because they’re show bikes, dumb ass!…if you want to ride a thousand miles an hour to sturgis, then jump on your stock bagger…then you’ll make the distance and have some gear with you…as far as creativity, craftsmanship and originality is concerned, junior’s bike won the day…just because you build everything by hand doesn’t count for shit when you keep building the same look over and over again…and jesse really showed his ass when, after losing, he stormed off stage without congratulating the victor…not all bikers are immature punks, nor do they support such crap…you need to pull your head out of your ass and figure out what it means to be man, a decent human being and a contributor to society before you pop off…pbr and ironhead…grow up, dude!…suck the life out of this!…

We knew from beginning Jr would win the popularity contest. That whole show has become soap opera, not about bikes at all. Jesse did. Need to step it up some tho and i dunno if his was ev en a daily rider

Put all three of them on one of the bikes they have built. One thousand miles left on the rear tire . A set of cloths, riding gear of their choice and 500 bucks and ride them cross country. The one that makes it first is the biker.And 500 is a lot . Good Luck

If you can build a bike for 15,000 ,& put your name on it ,& make it a 100,000. You must have called JP cycles ! A loyal customer!

I couldn’t agree with you more. I believe that ALL “riders” agree with this blog. You don’t have to build it to ride it but, don’t build something you can’t ride.

you know, many people are missing the point…its quite simple, a build off to compete w/each other on who can build the most creative bike w/details that show and hands down, Paul Jr. and his team do it all the time, face it folks, they are the best at the game for now…Jesse is as competent as u can get, this guy can build a motorcycle and he should be applauded for that, that machine he build was gorgeous especially the color…Sr., he’s washed up, shot his load but did one great thing and that was he created Jr. and that my friends is probably the best thing he ever did!!

Paul Jr. and Jessie’s bikes were both great looking. Paul Jr. bikes are nice but i feel if he built more bikes like his antivenium that would be the ticket for him. Jessie”s bikes are just a hardcore balls to the wall bike.

What I liked best about Jesse’s bike is that you need Orangutan arm’s and a Giraffe’s neck to ride it comfortably. Notice how Jesse had to keep looking under the handle bars to see wtf he was going.Cool.

2 wheels down the road, a balance that’s easy to carry the load, the mental drain of everyday life just cuts thru the wind and embellishes life, you breath and enjoy the wind thru your ears and exhale your load and all of your fears, to somewhere we go but never we know, to ride is free and free we are, I prefer 2 wheels to get to my far, wherever we go only we know, 2 wheels down the road gets rid of your load. “JED” BODNAR

I was amazed how many folks wanted to comment and how wound up some seem:)
As has been pointed out its just a TV show! Made me remember how mad my mom would get when I told her TV wrestling was not for real. Eveybody talks about it being a free country how about we ride what we want and let others do the same. You want a hero, go to the garage and build your own bike – then your it. No one to blame or talk trash to, once you have built your own bike I doubt many of you would be so quick to criticise others work. I do Wish they would show more on fabrication in thes shows, at least in the begining a guy could get an ocasional tip that was usefull, guess that didn’t bring ratings.

I read most of the posts while out of town for work early this morning. I’ve had 3.5 hours to think about this on my drive home… and have to say WTF is even being debated here? I don’t generally get on a soap box but I can’t hold back on this one.

Soul, one percenters, posers, sell outs, decorators, real bikers this and real bikes that, etc. are comments among many that come to mind from above. Really. Really?! Are you people all out of your f*****g mind?

Let me put it in perspective:
Is JJ a better builder because he uses equipment from the 20′s – no. Is Jr less of a builder because he uses state of the art equipment – no. Is Sr less of a builder becasue he employees a tool like Jason Pohl – no, an idiot because of it – yes!

Does Jr fabricate anything himself – No, not that I’ve seen. Does JJ fabricate “everything” – No. Does OCC fabricate everything – No. I defy anyone to point to one single company that does. Everyone has vendors for something. If anyone here thinks JJ fabricates “everything” that bolts to his bikes with his own two hands – you’re a fool and have no clue. MAYBE he pounded the tin and bent the tube at the onset for the likes of Shack, but if you think the tanks were not stamped and fenders not spun I have a bridge to sell you. Does he have mad skills and is he inspiring to watch – hell yes. But do you know who Bill Dodge and Simo are? Smart business men surround themselves with talented people – plain and simple.

JJ built his career around selling $100K+ custom bikes to high profile customers.

The Teutul’s built their careers around selling $100+ theme bikes to high profile clients.

If anyone here says they wouldn’t sell $50 ham sanwiches if there was a market for them and could make millions doing it – you’re a damn liar. It’s called capitalism. Of course they’re interested in making money you fools. That’s why they went into buisness to being with. JJ makes no bones about it – “Pay Up $ucker”.

And whoever said you have to be a “biker” to build bikes.

Who really gives a rat’s ass about the Biker Build Off rules – probably the same that think “reality” TV isn’t scripted. It’s freaking TV, and everyone of the companies and individual represented therein are guniuses and successful in their own right. The mere fact we’re debating them proves it.

Yes – Jesse is a bit arrogant, cheats on his significant other(s) and builds “rideable” bikes. But whoever says PJD or OCC builds crap is a complete idiot and has no clue about art, fabrication or buisness.

Claude Monet was an impressionist painter, while Salvador Dali was a surrealist (drugs aside) – entirely different styles of art created by talented geniuses in their own right, and thus the point of my rambling. If everyone did the same the world would be a boring place! Variety – the spice of life.

Where I stand? I prefer Jesse’s style of bike – always have – but does that mean PJD builds garbage. No. He has a hell of an imagination. Different markets entirely.

BTW – anyone want to buy a 2005 CFL roller?

…I’m out of soap.

joe

We all know jesse started the whole T.V bike building craze but in the end he’s the only one who ever and still builds bike you can ride.I’m not crazy about the stretched out down tube so high that you need to look around the gas tank to see the road but other than that it was the best looking bike on stage and most important the only one that is ride able

JJ is a trash talker plane and simple. Sr is also a trash talker, just a little more mild. Jr takes his stuff a little more serious now that he is at the helm of his own business.
JJ’s chopper was a nice well made streetable motorcycle that was well constructed by a very talented builder. Sr’s entry was plain weird, I think he just threw the towel in earily to keep from being embarrassed. Jr built what he does best, a theme bike.
Theme bikes are what made the show popular. It’s getting old I agree, that’s why their show ‘American Chopper’ is on life support now. This was all for TV ratings, nothing new there either.

Actually I did not see any bikes on the show that you would want to ride very far. Jesse’s was really cool, well built, awesome chopper, but it looked like 90% of the choppers out there. If you lined Jesse’s bike with 20 other choppers, it would not stick out. I think that is the only reason it didn’t win.

All I can say is that Paul Jr. was a class act and deserved to win on his attitude alone he never once was a moth piece like JJ. Jesse was an ass&@#* period. Paulies bike was by far the nicest & most original ride I have seen in a while. I think when your in a build off like this, the builder should bring his A game and the bike Jesse built was by far not the best of JJ, just another Diablo style chopper from westcoast choppers, one of a 1000 that he has built. The least he could have done is mix it up and build something different not the same old boring chopper that everybody has stuck in their garages collecting dust. Does nobody see the trends nowadays its all about the baggers right now. I bet if JJ had built a bagger he would have shown that he doesnt have a one track mind and would earn more respect from other builders. I have to respect Paul and Sr. for doin something completely different, if the rules said build another boring chopper maybe JJ might have won. Oh and screw all those of that think the Tuteul’s cant build bikes. They do just fine and have out lasted many other so called builders when it was the thing to be a bike builder.

Dont matter what kind of bike you ride or what you wear,Its very easy to see the WANNA BEES just watch them driving down the highway you can tell they scared or dont have a clue and the other ones are just parked in front of their favorite bar all shined up with no place to go.Whatever you want to do thats fine by me thats why we live in America just move your ass over to the right when you see a big black harley coming in the left lane and rider has old jacket was black now looks brown (with some minor scrape marks on shoulder)and lots of bugs in his teeth from smiling too much ill catch up on all the biker shows in january! My biker creed is MERGE TO THE RIGHT OR ILL GO BETWEEN YOU AROUND YOU ON RIGHT OR LEFT BECAUSE IM REALLY RIDIN AND YOUR IN MY F*****N WAY !!!!!!

I’ve been riding since my early teens, which puts me on abike for over 25 years. I have been watching Jesse build bikes from the beginning. I only wish I has his talent. He is still tops in my books
Patrick you have hit it right on in this article.

For those of us who are really into bikes for the right reasons no explaination is needed.

I ride 365, My harley is my transportation, hot , cold, rain or shine. I loved JRs bike because, I don’t need another , badd ass chopper. I would ride JRs bike 365 and thrash the hell out of it and love doing it. The fighter plane theme speaks to my soul. Just cause it is pretty doesnt mean you cant ride it like you stole it. They are all priced out of the real bikers pricerange anyway. Who is jesse james to talk. His bikes are not for real bikers, They are priced for the poser too. I could take JRS bike and with a little tinkering make it a 200 mile at a pull dailey rider not afraid to get his bike dirty, wet, or road worn and be proud to have a one off.

choppers are about attitude not themes jessies got attitude and a chopper dont like it tough shit the shows called american chopper not american theme abortions someone needs to tell the tutels what a chopper is I guess they forgot jd

Right on! I’m glad to see a write-up like this. It was over due. I agree with the stance that a bike is ridable. If it is not, then it is a trophy. Same with riders. Ride or pose for pictures.

It’s not what you ride. It’s that you ride.

If I have to watch one more Spyder Web Bike build I
think I’ll Puke!! Hey, Paullie can you Build something that could be turned around between the curbs on the leftside and the rightside of the street without puttin your feet down, and not drag the pipes on a tight right hand sweeper or look like it was painted by MIKEY after his annual inspirational Bath House Tour of the Gay Bay, on a Polaris Victory. Hmmm?

after the show my first thought was which one would look good in my garage next to the deuce and the sportster low. Neither tuttel machines would do me any good I would have to sell them to buy me a bike.

If I have to watch one more Spyder Web Bike built I
think I’ll Puke!! Hey, Paullie can you Build something that could be turned around between the curbs on the leftside and the rightside of the street without puttin your feet down, not drag the pipes on a tight right hand sweeper or look like it was painted by MIKEY after his annual insperational tou

Really Jesse, as was stated more than once if you were watching the same thing i was, he couldn’t see around his handlebars. Maybe it was better than Jr. we don’t even know how long he could ride his and we know it was the reverse batter trike.
They needed more competition that could build a bike to ride.

so many haters cant us riders just get along?

I feel Jesse James built the winner. I just turned 60 and still ride the old school hardtails. Jr and Sr have had their 15 minuets. have you ever noticed all the bikes they built sit in the backround? Vinney’s a toad and what does Mikey have to do with anything. I feel the two of them are living off what Sr started and their talent comes from whatever comes off the shelf.
I had the feeling what the outcome would be but was still shocked all the weekend bikers voted for Jr.

They left out the most important part of a build off, the ride . If it can’t go the distance, what good is it. I met Sr and Jr years ago at myrtle beach . Sr was very down to earth, and Jr’s head was so big he was lucky to walk through the door. I realy do not see that that has changed. As for JJ , who cares about his personal life, he builds a hell of a motorcycle. I have a rigid shovel in my stable and believe me it is quite ridable and able to go the distance. I was very dissapointed with the outcome of the build off

I’ve known people who have owned OCC Choppers and they leak more oil than any OLD Harley I’ve seen in 50 yrs of riding and they don’t cover them with thier warrenties… And JR couldn’t build a bike from the ground up by himself like Jessie if him fat ass depended on it. The ONLY OCC Chopper I would give them credit for is the 911 fire fighters bike other then that I think all their bikes are YUPPY BULLSHIT…

it’s all about ratings!!! they all three can build beautiful bikes, they just need to get there head out of there ass’es and do it!!! thats what we real bikers want to see. bikes!!! you know motorcycles!!! choppers, bobbers, low riders, you know bikes!!!

jesse should have won .they should have like bike build off when you build it and ride it 500 miles to the show,so you know it is a bike and not a statue.

Jesse built the only bike on that stage, Paul jr is a joke, look our front end came in, like always , build nothing, bolt on a bunch of xmas ornaments and you have a pjd, get some pipe, make your own frame, tank , forks, seat, and youve built a bike. American chopper riuned bikng, so many wannabes running around thinking thier bikers,

The bike build-off was a joke, Jesse James ”the real winner”like a true builder ,it was built from scratch frame up. Paul Sr. what the hell were you thinking that wasnt even a bike ,cool looking but not a bike. All the fights you’ve had with Jr. about you not knowing how to build bikes and after he left you would bury the company and that was your chance to show him up. Jr. same old shit a theme bike, can they build anything else? PJD bike was just a SHOW piece it wasnt anything that you would see someone riding. Just like Jesse said on the show that night

What happened to the old school true build offs , where it had to be built in a time frame and RIDEN to the final jugding a couple hundred miles away. A true builder builds them to be riden ,not to be parked in a showroom or an office building as a display piece. It should be judged by not just the public but other builders like Russell Mitchell , Kendall Johnson, Mondo, Rick Fairless, Arlen Ness, Johnny Chop, and Dave Petewitz

Hey Patrick,
Jesse Jame’s buttcheeks called. They said if you are looking for your lips, give em’ a call!

I thought the Build-off would turn out some of the Best tool-work I’d ever see. I like Paul Senior, He and Jesse James have both built Custom Tool-Worked Choppers. Functional Daily ridden works of art. I think Paul Sr. got so caught up in the battle with his son (you get the feeling that this build-off was the Networks idea to mend the Tuttles and Save American Chopper) that when this Build-Off was born all Paul Sr. saw was his Son Paul Jr. I felt from the begining that Jesse James had this Build off in the Bag. Right up until the day of the finale and it all changed when the TV advertising, Stage Banners , and Announcing centered around “American Chopper” I knew then Jesse had been “Customized” for American Choppers Build-Off and he would lose. Jesse hit the Bulls eye when he dared Paul Jr. to ride his “Theme” bike cross-country with him. Paul Jr. smiled his American Chopper created Theme smile and did not answer. Paul Jr. is like his father so adeptly labeled him during one of their arguments on American chopper; “He’s an Artist” he doesn’t know how to build a motorcycle outside of what he has been taught. Which is being “Themely Creative” with an apprentice Mechanics skill.
Jesse James deserves a “Special Award” for what he created. Jesse’s Bike was one of the most creative talents by a Master Mechanic that I have ever seen. Ten steps above anything I have seen “American Chopper” build.
I was so hoping Paul Sr. would go back to where he started with his tools and talent and demonstrate what a gifted Master Mechanic he is. Then his Son Paul Jr. would have to come to grips with what he has not learned. Reality is however Paul Jr. truly believes he Won that Dog and Pony show and Paul Sr. fell to his Sons level and created something, It was a cool something, it just wasn’t a Chopper something.
I Raise my Beer to the True Master and Winner Apparent: “Jesse James”
“Packman” Sparks, Nv.

Since it was a populartiy contest I’d rather hang and have a beer with Jesse than the other two geeks.

I agree.

Sr’s bike was not a bike and was not even road worthy.. Jr’s bike was an expensive garage ornament and the show American Chopper has become a soap opera.

Biker Build offs that showed how each builder actually put something together is what I would like to see return to the airways. Plus the way to level the playing field is to set a limit on what can be spent on parts and require each bike to be ridden at least 1000 miles to the shoot out.

jesse james should have won, this was a buildoff not a popularity contest,i would rather sit thrue ashow watchin a real bike being built than watchin some peice of crap that wouldnt make a 100 mile round trip without parts fallingoff everywhere! but thats just my oppenion.

Jesse James by far had the best bike .
PJ of coarse had created another piece oh Sh-t
and the old man should pack it up and retire before he ruins his reputation .
As for Mike , someone who thinks he’s an artist .
Come on i’ve seen better work come out of the local Mental Hospital than that Sh-t .

Paul Jr. WON because his bike was the Best..I dont think anyone was watching if u thought JJs bike was nice,,And SRs Dozzer wasnt a bike..I think he thought they were doing a monster garage build..Theme Bike or not it was a pride of owner ship…….Great Build JR..

Jesse was the clear winner regardless!!!!!!
Jr’s bike was a shell….simply a looker, not a rider.
Senior’s “thing” can’t be classified as a bike and had no business in that type of competition.
Personally feel that Discovery & Jr. had predetermined arrangements. All a publicity stunt!

Jesse won and he knows it too!

I think that JJ tried to make it the same way he always has a lot of mouth and the same old shit!He turned me against him for all his trash talk.As for the bikes who cares every body wins the bike indusrty gets it they make parts for all the bikes and most of those parts are made in the USA so we all win.We work for the pride of building something with are hands you may not like it change it the parts are there.Some one likes things i like and some don,t but its all good i ride all the time and i use all kinds of diffrent parts.Its america don,t knock the industry that made you what you are.Indian Larry had it right a bike that will handle well and looks like a machine and the thrill is trying o control taht raw power and he fell of riding and the freedom that is america.It doesn,t matter what some other asshole like or dislikes it what makes you feel good.

well like jesse said if you want a cake decorator bike, have a tuetel build you a bike, if you want to have a bike built that can be riden for more than a half hour, get yourself a real builder…jesse james…

….from scratch,from the heart, it’s an art…..

Jesse’s bikes are the same damn thing over & over. Put a banana seat on that chrome frame with a red tank and you have yourself a Schwinn Stingray with a motor. Of – I forgot – he actually dug up the freaking ore and smelted the metal. Of – wait – he didn’t make the cables, the transmission, the lights, the engine casings, the engine heads, the frakken wheels. Maybe he made the glass in the damn rear view mirrors.

As for Paul Jr., who cares. Lets get Billy Lane an early release and he can show them how its done. You probably wouldn’t like him, since he is now a real outlaw and not just a pretend one.

I was not impressed with any of the bikes. Sr.’s was cool, but it was not a bike!! Jesse James’ is NOT a riders bike. You have to look around the handle bars and it is a hard tail with a leather covered seat pan. I he was truly building a bike to ride he should just go and buy a Road King or a Victory Cross Roads. Jesse James theme was to be a bad ass biker, which is fine. I just got tired of listening to him say that his bike was meant for riders when none of the bikes there where meant for serious riding. Jr.’s bike was too gaughty for me, but I liked it better than the other two.

jesse james got it together again! pure metal talent. that blacksmithing show is where its really at. power hammer & foge, true bike building. not some silly cookie cut – kitchen design.. ha-ha. motor

The only shop built bike was PJD. Senior had to bring in the electric company guys, and Jesse needed the help of an Austin Speed Shop. Nuff Said

Led Zeppelin for me!!! I like my bikes neat, simple and functional,nuff said?

i love bikes and have 3 in my garage all of which i ride and ride like i stole, with that said i think jesses bike was bad ass. but not his best work, but his best blacksmithing work. pjd builds badass theme bikes cause they sell. bikes can be art or functional. some builders build art and some build function. i dont see you bashing arlen ness,cory ness,or half the other builders that were on the original biker build off shows that we all enjoyed so much. what pjd builds is theme bikes like it or not. but he does build them and does a bad ass job doing it. so dont hate his skills, hate the industry that has turned bike building into a art competition. pjd built the best looking bike. with a gal of gas capacity it will get far enough for 95% of todays riders to get to their local bike night. if it had a bigger tank i would rock that bike but it will look good in the corner of his shop instead. not very many people want to watch a show of guys building regular bikes so turn off your tv if you dont like it. pjd keep up the great work.

I completely agee with the author and the article. Jesse James got robbed. I think, hands down he had the nicest bike. Paul sr, what the hell was that, it was a BIKE build off, Paul Jr built a nice piece of art but that’s ALL it was ART! it may have looked like a motorcycle but let’s see them ride it all day every day or een on one 100 mile run and see what happens. I believe that all the yuppies out there that thaought Jr’s art was a bike theyy should go and buy there smart cars and hybreds and leave the biker life to the real bikers! Paul Jr sucks and JESSE JAMES RULES! For the record I ride a custom 51 panhead I built myself from the frame up.

AMEN PATRICK!!!!!

Jesse’s bikes are a true custom performance motorcycle. real bike riders would pick his bikes over that junk that jr ‘s team put together. style and performance is todays riders. i would bet paul’s votes came from young girls that sit on there ass and dont even ride. i met jesse some years back at the V twin expo he is a rider and down to earth guy that understands style and performance. his bike performs as good as they look and most of all they are ridden . not a high price junk sitting somewhere as some theme. even paul sr knew jesse should have won . i enjoy seeing the skill that jesse has and i beleave if he started his tv show building bike again no one but want to be’s would watch those occ fag shows.. bottom line OCC is all show and no go… LOL .. ride on..

Well all three have talent…. no question there…. But this was a bike build off and the rules I guess were not made clear (if there was any) I think most of us were expecting ridable bikes…Senior should have built a old school bobber. He stated many times how he likes the old school style. PJD…. He does have good ideas… and his subcontractor employees turn out some beautiful artwork. I would have liked to see them build something really ridable.
JJ…. well he is who he is…. His bike was the only real ridable bike period. So the bars blocked the view…. maybe thats his style…. least it was a true ridable machine… not my style but was ridable…
I would really like to see Paul Sr, PJD and JJ build a bike one their own with no help at all… no employees just them…. then you would see who has real talent.

Jesse’s bikes are a true custom performance motorcycle. real bike riders would pick his bikes over that junk that jr ‘s team put together. style and performance is todays riders. i would bet paul’s votes came from young girls that sit on there ass and dont even ride. i met jesse some years back at the V twin expo he is a rider and down to earth guy that understands style and performance. his bike performs as good as they look and most of all they are ridden . not a high price junk sitting somewhere as some theme. even paul sr knew jesse should have won . i enjoy seeing the skill that jesse has and i beleave if he started his tv show building bike again no one but want to be’s would watch those occ shows.. bottom line OCC is all show and no go… LOL .. ride on..

Thanks for your insight. I wanted to throw up even though I knew how it was going to turn out. Word to Jesse for building an amazing bike. I’d kill to own that thing!

I fully agree with you; I have been watching all involved bulid “bikes” over the years, and I can honestly say that although I don’t like all of Jessies creations, I will ride all of them, because I know they will get me there and most (lol) of the time, get you back, but not the same way because all you want to do is ride; leave the showboating to Sr & Jr, hell, look at all the tube time they wasted on fighting each other while creating junk. Enough said, lets ride!

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The contest was to build the most interesting bike not run on a board track or go to Sturgis via South America without stopping, so I don’t get the grief about Jr’s bike. It’s motorcycle as art and maybe riding to a show once in a while.

The idea that AHole James fabricated the bolts on his pedantic, boring bike somehow represents builder’s nirvana escapes me. In fact I would challenge anyone to ride that thing for 30 minutes straight and not waking up a cripple the next day.

What’s seems most important to me is that when all the smoke and glory from the TV chopper era died down there are the dysfunction Teutals still keeping motorcycles in the public eye.

I just don’t get the arrogance on James side or some of the writers above.
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JJ got schooled in this build off..His bike was average at best.. Go to any biker event and you’ll see bikes just like JJ’S sitting there…Nothing special about it at all.. It’s a plain jane.. Heck the paint even wasn’t that great.. Bad fade job to say the least..

You JJ fans need to crawl back into your caves now.. Admit it JJ got beat by the new kd on the block… PJD build an orginal bike..JJ didn’t…. This is a biker build off and these biker builders were to represent there best work of art to be built in 3 weeks time..JJ built a lemon while PJD build a nice looking and easy to ride bike..JJ’s bike you can’t ride that bike for a long period of time just for the simple fact your arms would fall the hell off from holding them up…And you’d have a heck of a sore neck from bending around to see what the hecks in font of you..

JJ GOT BEAT… PJD ROCKS !!

Really enjoyed reading all the comments!

“insert 2 cents here ->”
The same thing happened in the automotive world, I am old enough to remember the 60′s. Eventually they split the classes for shows. And thats exactly what they need to do now. First off I do not like PJD style bikes, sorry its a personal thing. I want to own it, ride it, and wrench it. So for you people who like all show, put it in a class for just that ” aka Ed Roth, Stanley Miller, style for bikes”. And give the rest of us our Jesse James, Indian Larry, Lane, and Detroit Brothers, grease monkey, daily riding, tire burning scoots.

All I have to say, no more television. Lets see more of the Road & that feeling of being alive.
We only live once. Lets Ride.

Juniors bike was a parade float….ridiculous. Made me sick to look at. WTF is going on with the bike industry. Made me want to sell my Harley and ride Hondas just to distance my self from that monstrosity.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!!!!

i have always been a big fan of the look of jesse’s work but his bike wasn’t as good looking or rideable as jr’s bike,because if you noticed when jesse was riding his bike he had to look around the tank to see where he was going.as far as the look,i would love to see something different from him’he’s been building the same style from day one.change it up jesse

indian larry was the man!!! even with all his fame he always had time to talk to the regular guy or even take a photo on your old school chopper, [ you know the ones with 1 drum brake no front one right out of the 60s]think jessie would do that? as far as paul sr he doesnt even have a clue anymore with that jackass jason at the computer they will be a thing of the past soon. jr he can build a bike and yes a rider but this time he should have built a rider . hey that caddy bike was nice.

I too liked Jesse’s bike. And for the people who say its not a 100mph road worthy bike have not spent much time pounding out the miles on a hard tail chopper. For me the list of Chopper Gods are as follows:

Indian Larry
Denver’s Choppers
Jesse James
Billy Lane
Twisted Choppers (Just down the road in Sioux Falls)

These are bikes that are meant to be ridden, not sit in some company office lobby. The simpler the better in my opinion. Thats why I have a 68 Shovel 80″ with a 4 speed kicker and a Joe Hunt mag. And my car is a 73 VW bug. You can work on both with a screwdriver and a pair of vise grips.

I enjoyed the program and agree with the comment that the show is a shot in the arm for the motorcycle aftermarket. Programs that get people excited about bikes and riding are all-good! But I dont subscribe to the line of thinking that Jessie is somehow superior to Jr. because his bike is a true rider. Jessie did what he does best, he spoke his mind and built a bike that everyone expected. I find it ironic that Jessie spouts the anti-establishment attitude yet it is the estblishment that has made him a rich man. Jr. at least isn’t professing to be something he’s not, he builds theme bikes. Jr’s bikes are very popular with the masses and maybe that makes them un-cool to some but they are skillfully done and as a result do more to promote the motorcycle industry than do Jessies old school riders.

This article matches my thoughts exactly. Jesse had it right when he called PJD “cake decorators” ( I think that was the term ) Aside from their “production bikes” I can’t remember when I’ve seen the American Chopper crew build something practical to ride. Their bikes are making them a ton of money, no doubt. (thanks to Discovery Channel) But they’re not bikes for bikers. They build jewelry for Yuppies.
Jesse had my vote all the way.

All this hype and BS about custom scooters is almost enough to some of us old time bikers want to give up. It’s as bad as the Urban Cowboy craze of the mid 70″s, I was ready to buy penny loafers and Dockers so as not to be lumped in with the wantabe’s. “$30,000 and 30 miles don’t make you a biker”.
In the 50′s, 60′s and 70′s we built chops because we couldn’t afford to buy a new H/D, a stylish Limey, or one of those expensive German touring bikes. We schrounged parts where we could find them, I went to welding school just so I could fix wrecked frames. we made do with what we had and what we could afford. Jesse is more the oldtime builder, though still high dollar customs meant more for show then go.
If you ain’t ready to stand on that kick starter at the drop of the hat, (oops, most of todays “bikers” don’t know what a kick starter is) you ain’t much of a biker.

Really enjoyed reading and agreed with Patrick’s comments concerning the Bike Build Off on Discovery Channel. To me motorcycles are about riding period!

The dominant theme of the comments seems to be ” the bike must be ridable”and ” it’s the journey that counts” I agree with these comments 100%. I am 70 yrs old this summer I did a 9500miler, with a 1675 mile no sleeper, not bad for an old man. So you will all think I have a problem “I ride an 1800cc Goldwing” The thing is however I meet and beat all your parameters, and this old does just fine at 135mph true speed not speedo!!! Noe tell me why you guys just cannot stand me!!!. I just think there is another parameter, any Bike any Biker qualifies for the brotherhood!!!!!! we all love riding two wheels, why not share?

Nice bike Jesse seen hundreds like it. Built it by himself who were those other guys he called in to help? For me its not just his love life, he speaks like a fourteen year old. “I hope they like didn’t get upset, but I like meant it” What a douche! Fake ass biker, all that money and nothing to do, and finally after several years, ” I like think I like want to build something again” “Cause they like put a design on the air cleaner and say it is like a theme bike” He also said “they are like ripping people off” How many bikes on order for his rip off bullshit? In my opinion if anyone is clearly a rip-off it is Jesse. Can’t keep a woman, can’t be truthful with a woman! Sends penis cakes to other men. Sorry a little to strange to ride with that douche.

Thanks for straightening out the “biker world”. It’s been long established biker tradition to come on to the web and cry about who built the best custom bike, and who was a poser.

No, wait…it isn’t.

Watched show and as always disappointed in all 3 I am not a hardcore biker but enjoy riding my HD XL. I have only been into bikes for 5 years I am a car guy at heart building many rides over the past 25 years. I hear the “true biker” complaint that none are made for riding and I understand that.

I complain about Foose and car builders that draw a picture hire a huge team take all new stuff slap it on and paint, buff pat themselves on the back. I want to see 1 or 2 guys and a shop that’s all. I want them to be on a budget to try and make the bike they build profitable but cool. Anyone can open a catalog and dial a phone. I like to cut weld modify junk or a stock part to give a bike attitude. oh yeah the show doesn’t have to be finished in an hour either.

Obviously I appreciate all the work Jesse put into his but it was not my taste and with that front end you can’t see where the Hell you are going biker build off rules of a couple hundred mile ride should apply and they also should make rules that the person that is called out aka Senior should actually work on the bike not have others do it for them.

I forgot to mention senior. He punk’d out. He was afraid to go head to head so he built what he built. I would like to see him go back a few years and build something that soesn’t involve a CAD program and a designer that sits in an office.

I have not watched American Choppers in years due to the fact that if I see another “theme bike” roll out of the shop painted up like an Easter egg I’m going to puke. I agree with the poser aspect of biking these days, everyone wants to look the part on Friday and Saturday, talk the talk, and discuss the ride in to the bar (less than 2 miles) on there super stretched custom chopper (bought not built) painted up with every color that Crayola makes. They ride like crap, make a lot of noise, and look so pretty in the parking lot with there neon lights and bolt on bad-ass-ness.

Well put Patrick bottum line no matter what you think of jj or his design he bulit a bike that can be ridden not a piece of art work hopefully this is his comeback!!

I dont think either bike was ridable,but Jesse was such an A hole that I wanted Paul to win

come on …granted pjd is more of a bolt on guy than builder but so is james and. james is an ass. yu can call it say him a says what he thinks guy but tbat covers his fear of fail. you can build and not be a ass

As said above Jesse walked into it, he was included in the “build off” for his flat open honesty and the spice the producers knew it would add. Jesse had the only rider, maybe it a few elements that wouldn’t be my choice in a rider but it was one none the least. Why have anything if it can’t be used for what it stands for. To me it’s like the guys who collect guns that sit in a cabinet, if you can’t or won’t use it what is the purpose.

PJD have talent, imagine what they could build if they choose to use it to build something that could roll down the road and we wanted to ride.

I think this article is correct about the build off and PJD’s design which sucks. Jesse is the best of the best among the an elite few.. I just think that the author is confusing the T.V. community that watches the show with bikers or those who are not posers. “Real” bikers the ones that ride day in and day out and don’t trailer thier bikes and work on thier own machines don’t even watch the show. Every person I have ever seen wearing a Orange county T-shirt doesn’t own one or even ride period they are just fans of the show. I can’t stand people who wear harley t-shirt that don’t even own one.

In my opinion Jesse won hands down. There is no way I would ride cross country on the other two. I have 80K on my heritage, 50K on a softail custom and 10K on a new trike. Someday I would like to build my own from the ground up, but I will always ride. I have my own shop and enjoy wrenching (or else I wouldn’t do it) and when I am not working on them, IT’S TIME TO RIDE. Good job Jesse!

you are right on no real Biker voted for JR’s show Queen. Jessie built the Riders bike

Sure I watched the show.I liked the fact Jesse’s frame and front end were built from scratch.Stainless is hard to work with. Can’t really say Who did the most work on each individual bike cause they all had help. I build my own bikes, allways have for over thirty years.Everything from Lacing wheels to engine and trans.What I saw on the show was for entertainment only and it was entertaining!.Oh well, back to the garage.Pretty sure there wont be anyone filming me!

I agree with most of the comments regarding Jr.’s bike and Jesse James’ bike. But, really, do you think in this day of reality bull shxt shows that jesse didn’t know what he was getting into? That the whole thing was rigged from the start? It was clear that Sr’s “ATV” was not a contender. It was clear that JJ’s bike was just another bike; nice, but just another bike. When the host said to Jr. that his seat on the bike was sure to kill/produce hemmorhoids, that should have killed any possibility of his winning. But it didn’t! So in my mind, the fix was in!

I Was Wondering Where Paul Jr. Was Going To Put the Tank. I Loved His Bike But Everyone Is right About The Rideability Of It. Jessies Bike Looked Too Uncomfortable To Ride. I Ride A Cruiser Because Of The Seating Position. I’m Not Into Ape Hangers Either So That Is The Main Reason I Didn’t Like It. I Liked The Riding Position Of Jr’s Bike A Lot More.
By The Way, To Everyone Saying Jessie Did It Alone, He DID Have Help Just Like Jr. Did. Jessie Just Took All The Credit For His.

Jessy walked into something he shouldn’t have. Knowing what JR is all about he should have shut up and went out of the box on this one. The bike was noce but not a new style. This was not ar real build off . It was a face off.

AMEN TO THAT! that was such a piece of crap paul jr. built. but then i’ve felt for a long time that both tootles lost their way a long time ago. they build some of the ugliest crap on two wheels. they need to shut down this TV “show” and let these guys go back to obscurity. to jesse james! GREAT BIKE! hard tails breed bad backs. but they sure are pretty. and the one you built was that. BILL RIGNEY SENDS. BT

There are damn few riders left that understand what Jesie and many others get disgusted over, it’s not the same no more, it’s all a happy place we older open road riders have dreams of the past. Ya can’t buy it, shouldnt be a TV series, todays bilders are bolter oners, lotsa riders are couch cowboys. Miss It.

D.L. Miller – Outta Hell

You could not be more right on, I enjoyed watching Jesse has always been great to watch, but not the rest all of that has just made them all money. And that is all they care about money, makes me sick. I have been riding since 1968 off and on, I now make parts for bikes “saddlebag tethers for Road Kings and others using the dutz mount.and other small parts. I don’t make a ton of money at it ,IT IS JUST FUN NOT A JOB. I ride for me to ride not for others or to make money, or to ride to starbucks to starbucks to starbucks. I ride to ride. I bet Jr or anyone working for him hasn’t rode more the 20 miles in the last 6 months, and the same might go for senior too…….

What did you expect? If given definite guide lines maybe a different outcome. Next time have cadagory builds like best gas milege, fastest, biggest, cheapest build, possible production proto type,

Both Jess and Paul are artists. Art is subjective, Dali vs. Rembrandt, Ginger or MaryAnn. It makes no difference, both did a great job and inspire others to be creative.

These “Hollywood” bikers are just a flash in the pan fad. Give it a few years and they will find something else that will be the bomb and the real bikers will be left to love the wind and road like it is meant to be.

If what you said is true about riding you would have packed your bags and shined up a Goldwing and rode anywhere you want as far and as fast. Big handle bars, looking around a gas tank on a bike that is difficult to ride in a parking lot let alone on the road is all show. Jr’s creativity is off the charts and absolutely an art! If it is about riding, a shaking loud chopper isn’t it.

I am not sure the Show ever had any edge to it, but if it ever did, they lost their edge. Too much soap opera reality emotional crap to sift through, too much wheenie behavior going on between Sr. and Jr. The psycologists an psyciatrists must have a ball analyzing Sr.’s constant rants about his son. So, now Sr. is going bankrupt and Jr. is pumping out un-ridable bikes. And these guys, on TV anyway, project the Biker persona and values? Not so much. Hey discovery channell, come up to my neck of the woods (Massena NY area) and I’ll show you the real deal builders and riders.

Jesse won. I saw the vote count the day before the show. JJ was so far in front there was no way anyone would have caught up. This was about building bikes, not snowmobiles, or mosquito abatement machines. It also wasn’t about love life or lack therof.It was about building a bike worth riding and riding a ways, not around town or in the snow.

I will keep on riding my Harley as an old biker who has ridden most all of them. Including Honda, Kaw, Triumph and BMW. Keep on riding and above all else, have fun and enjoy the road.

Who gives a crap about who won , at least theres still a show with something about choppers on tv . Is Jesse’s bike for sale ? WJR

UNBELEIVEABLE; How could Junior win this with that large dork of a motorcycle. Jesse built his own frame man! A real in your face chopper that I would be happy to start up and let roar. Thats what its really about and I am sad more people do not feel like this. Junior, you need to stop acting like a spoiled brat because without your Daddy you are nothing. Show some respect to your Father; he is a great guy. You would be lucky to be like him. And for Mikey…I know your a good guy but you need more help. Jesse, you are the winner of this competition. Later

They all looked like shit. None of them were rideable.
Jr’s was by far better than has been Jessie James. He says he want to get back into bikes where he belongs, guess what, Sandra didn’t want you, Cat VonD didn’t want you and the biker community has had it with you. SEE YA

Yes Jr won . Yes Sr’s was a joke . Jesse was Jesse . Jesse’s bike was better enginered and harder to build out of stainless,but you just can’t keep adding stretch and rake .Have you ever tried to ride a bike like that,not cool. My bones don’t heal that well anymore Jr’s bikes are all theam and flash but little respect for ride. Sr’s well other than cussin and blamin everyone else for his stupidity ,What was it ,in an accident the first thing that hits’ the fan is face, it may have workerd if they had simply put the riding position sitting up or leaning back . The reality is that Jr’s & Sr’s crews are in fact bike builders ,and although Jesse can build one by his self he keeps trying to hide the fact that he’s got a crew . their are a lot of bike builders out there than can and do build Bikes that would blow any of these out of the water. if you want a soap opra keep watching american chopper. Without the tv show I dought that Jr are Sr would still be in The buisness. As for me I would rather watch a rerun of Biker Build Off ,Please bring it back ! maybe their is another builder out there close to Indian Larry.If You Can’t Ride It What Good IS IT!

First off, Jesse built a bike that was a throw back to the 60s or 70s, PJD built a piece of art and Paul Sr. built an ATV. James is a punk, pure and simple, the reason he lost. He acts like a 20 year old gang banger yet sells out for money at any opportunity. He has talent no doubt, but the final product was an overdone example of what they rode back in the day. Anyway JMHO.

Drop all three into a junkyard full of metal and say “build a bike” and you all know Jesse is the only one who could get it done.

I have to some what agree and disagree with ya, Patrick. I think there’s room for that in this brotherhood that you, me and many others who ride share.
Presonally, I could give a rip about resembling a 1%er; it aint who I am and it aint why I ride.
Similarly, I think there’s also room in the industry for personal creativity with regard to bikes.
You see, to me, the freedom a motorcycle represents embodies a multitude of things; history, design, refinement, efficiency, even a little “art deco”.
I think Jr. and Sr’s creations speak for themselves, despite their limited practicality. IOW, -none- of anybody’s recent creations are anything you, me or anyone else could mount up and ride cross country on. Most have grossly under-sized fuel tanks and long distance cruising comfort for 12 days out on the road have even entered their design equasion.
While they’re nice to look at, just as a ’46 Chief would be, they’re a far cry from posessing much if any UTILITY. Junior’s pretty much an artist. To a degree so are the others. I’ll hand it to Jr. for at least breaking out of the S&S box and employing a “Power Plus” Indian bottlecap knockoff from Crazy Horse, rather than the mass-produced Harley clones. Ya know, the old school choppers were cool in Easy Rider, but everyone and his dog’s building one now. In that regard, PJD’s something of a breath of fresh air, compared to JJames’ creation peanut-tank springered offering.
Personally, I’d like to see more fat, low baggers with large-bore engines, fat tires and enough fuel on board to feed it and run hard for 300+ miles before having to find fuel.
Ride safe.

I disagree. PJD are the only ones that custom built a bike. I don’t know what OCC built, but it wasn’t a motorcycle. Jesse James built a chopper, true. Just like every other chopper that he has ever built. He custom made the front-end, just like every other bike he made. PJD built a motorcycle like nothing anyone has ever seen before. I personally think Discovery should have ran all 3 of them over with a bulldozer and told them to try again……But that’s me.

Nobody is better at buying parts & sticking them to a motorcycle & calling it a custom theme than PJD. OCC & PJD are decorators. Jesse is a bike builder.

Just got to show you that more ‘Non-bikers’ watch the show then bikers. I think Jesse should have won, it’s a bike build off. Not “Theme Bike Build OFF” As for senior, that isn’t a bike.. Sorry ..

Although I wouldn’t want to ride any of the three bikes, I thought Jesse’s was truest to the idea of a hand built motorcycle. Senior (with a lot of input from his team) came up with a non motorcycle that might be fun to do donuts in the parking lot on but take a long ride on a twisty road? (Flame throwers might be handy in city traffic tho…)
Junior and his team came up with a “show” bike with a range of about 20 miles – breathing fumes all the way.
Jesse’s bike was hand crafted mostly by himself, with a bit of help at the end. My only objection to his chopper is the riding position and high ape hangers – way too uncomfortable for me for any distance, but otherwise a beautiful job by a superb craftsman.
My brother rode a Honda Goldwing for awhile and he’d run into young guys on their crotch rockets who would sneer at his “cadillac” He’d bet them he could beat them in a race and they’d roar with laughter. Then he’d say – I’ll race you to California and back…

Patrick,
Senior built -I guess I don’t even know what to call it.
Jesse built a bike that even though the craftsmanship was over the top still looked like the cookie cutter type being built by every other builder.
Junior once again built a theme bike.
But the winner here is the Discovery Channel, they got everybody to watch didn’t they?
Time for the show to end.

$300 pan heads, 250,000 miles on shovelheads , when I started you MADE your parts, was starting to watch, then Vinnie started bashing, I TURN the TV channel.. Mr. James did 159 mph on a Pro Drag bike… It’s something in your blood, vp16.? Nitro?. I would like to see little Paul be a real motorcycle rider.. on tv you can be anything they want you to be… if only they had seen old biker films, or been around Long bitch Ca. in the 90′s you’d see were Jesse came from.. 40 yrs. and don’t own a store bought.. thanks…

PJD’s bikes have no appeal to me. The Spiderman bike was as close to an every day rider as he ever got.

Guys like Jesse James,Kendell Johnson and Indian Larry are bike builders.Styling, horse power and function, every part should have a purpose.

Paul Jr. should be building rides for a carousel.

Just sayin’

wow its like you wrote what i thought all the way through the show. i have been building one off customs for the past seven years, every bike i build i have ridden , are practical, and are a work of art , im told. and i have to laugh everytime i go to a major show and see a bike that was built that sits 2 inches off the ground, or a bike that holds less than a gallon of fuel, or one that is so stinking long, where would you ride it??? and it wins!! jesses mad skills are what building is all about , takeing ones skills, heart, and soul , and puting them into a living breathing heart beat that you can ride and is an extention of the rider/builder. thanks for speeking the truth. kat

The bikes built by OCC are poser bikes. They are built for posers who want to look cool but don’t care if it will ride 1000 miles or not. They just hang out at bike night or ride on the toy run to show off their bikes. I’ve seen the OCC crew use double sided tape to hold things on their bikes or hold a battery into place by welding it into a box where the battery can’t be removed without major cutting. They are not bikers. They (both son and daddy) are guys who build sculptures that resemble bikes. Their show is a soap opera for posers who say they are bikers because they lay down $100,000 for a taped together collection of parts assembled by a non riding builder.
I laugh at the punks on here who give Jessie crap about who he’s sleeping with. You’re just jealous you’re not getting your d**k wet in the women he’s effing and forgetting. He’s a prick? Yes. He’s also a builder and has been for a long time. His bikes work and will last for decades. The OCC bikes? The only time you see them is at shows and they usually trailer them in because they fall apart if they bump along on a road. Jessie is the real deal. If you don’t like the classic style of a chopper then he’s not your man. If you like the OCC bikes then also understand you’re a poser. Simple as that.

Saying OCC builds better bikes than JJ because JJ sleeps with lots of women is like someone who collects hot wheel toy cars giving crap to John Delorean because of his coke issue. Posers are easy to spot, they usually wear the traditional mandana, cheap leather vests, new HD shirt and cargo shorts with either sandals, flip flops or tennis shoes. Bikers scare the hell out of posers.

PJD’s bikes have no appeal to me. The Spiderman bike was as close to an every day rider as he ever got.

Guys like Jesse James,Kendell Johnson and Indian Larry are bike builders.Styling, horse power and function, every part should have a purpose.

Paul Jr. should be building rides for a carousel.

like i said it was fun befor every body and their brother had a harley. used to be you hit the road for a putt see some bikers and make some friends. now any where you go people put on their 1%er billy badass look (in their matching brand new worn only to a bike night event)want to puff out their chest and give you the hard one eye. not much of after market if any, didn’t have it- you made it. seems like all these builders have forgot what brought them to bikes to get their picture taken a jack the price’s of customs out of reach of the regular guy. like i said if you couldn’t find it you made it or altered some thing. even befor the stckers came out i have said “it a fucking fashion show” not about true brother hood! any way i picked jessy james cause it was bulit to ride, not down a trailer ramp to a stage then to a front window some place. could go on, nuff said.!

JJ’s is an ass kickin’ biker’s bike. I would trade my two, almost stock, Harleys for a JJ bike any day. Jr. seems to be a fine fellow, but his bikes are useless. I don’t waste time trying to figure out what Senior was thinking.

From my perspective, I really think Paul Sr. was building a prototype for the Department of Defense. His design had desert environment and military all over it! The low profile and the punched that it packed says barbecue me an insurgent! Of course this will never be revealed to the public. He’s got a war machine for DOD.

I digress:
Jesse’s bike looked just like something from the stone age…..and something you would order parts from J.C. Whitney and bolt together. Yeah, he “made” the parts………..whoopee.
Juniors, on the other hand, lead the competition with innovation and style. Its about design, not convention. Paul Jr. and Paul Sr. at least took the time to follow the unwritten rule and designed something different and new………..Jesse’s constant brash, unforgiving and childlike rant against his competition was a shameful and totally unnecessary abuse of the friendship and professionalism. I voted for Paul Jr, but Sr. was a close second for the idea, even though it might not have been a ‘chopper’. Sid, Alpena, Mi.

OCC’s biggest problem is Sr.! He should tell the designer what he is looking for and let them come up with a design, but he should not tell them how to do it; only make suggestions. Sr. is the main reason Paul Jr. left; Sr. was quenching Jr.’s creativity!!! I get tired of Sr.’s comments and him cutting other people down. He should let the teams creativity flow and stand back and watch!
PJD’s designs are different, but appealing. Yes he builds theme bikes and he builds thgem well, but he does it with a lot less stress on his employees and gets a lot more accomplished at the end of the day and everyone goes home happy and not pissed off like they do at OCC! What would Sr. do if Rick left OCC? Could he find a metal worker with the skills Rick has, maybe; maybe not! At least Jr. listens to everyone’s input before he makes a decision; Sr.’s word is final!
As for Jesse James, I lost all respect for him during the build off episodes. No wonder he has so many problems with women! He has no respect for himself let alone other people! I used to think he a great builder and a nice guy, but after all the negative press he has been getting recently; I have changed my mind about him totally! I enjoy Jr.s part of the show, but frankly I go get a snack or to the bathroom when Sr.’s spot comes on. Sr. may be a businessman, but he is not a PR person at all and neither is Jesse James!!!!! Jesse’s ancestor would not be proud of him.

Honestly ! All you whiney crybabies and people bashers obviously have no life or you wouldn’t sit and watch the dang show. The Discovery channel only shows you what they want to. Jesse can’t even ride a bike… He pays a look alike to ride for him. Paul Sr still helps Jr with funding to build bikes, He also paid for Mikey’s art gallery building and bought the fat tub a new truck. When are you all gonna get your heads out of your butts and realize you have no life if your gonna judge these people off a television show. You all don’t know the truth. Anybody can pull parts off a shelf and bolt them together… Go to J&P and buy all you want… Great store ! Do yourselves a favor and go out to the garage and try building a bike yourself. Some of you guys are plain idiots ! Since when was their rules written with a list of what it takes to be a biker ? Who cares if they spend 30,000, buy a drawer full of 30 dollar t shirts, leathers and trailer their bike 1,000 miles to a bike event. Atleast they are spending money and helping the motorcycle economy.

First of all, let me say that I admit I’m not a 1%. But having said that, I’ve owned at least one bike for at least the last 30 years. I know what ridin is about. And I agree, these theme bikes aren’t it. Watching the show, all I could keep on saying was, Jesse should but won’t win. Too much television commercialized bullshit. Somebody take these clowns off the air and go back to the days of serious “Biker Build Offs”. I’m just sayin !!

I believe the build-off with Jesse James was to hide the fact that who in there RIGHT mind would watch a build-off between PJD & OCC with all the hoop-la & crap we been seeing the last couple of years. Jesse’s been in the spotlight for the last few months just because he’s human and messed up. What true BIKER hasn’t? I agree, what happened to the true BIKER? Too many non-BIKERS & wanna-be’s, the Tuttle’s count on that for they’re votes. We all no that neither one of them couldn’t win a build-off alone with a true BUILDER that didn’t have contraversy surrounding them.

The LAST time the father or son built a desent scoot was Cody,s old school bike …

I’m glad I don’t have discovery channel.the Tutles have NEVER built a bike that I would of wanted to ride.Living in northern California where most of the roads are knot straight but nice tight twistie roads. Those theme bikes would scrap in the turns and bottom out.Been riding for 40+ yrs and chrome won’t get you home neither will will antlers or sleigh runners or what ever they are called.Now on the other hand Jesse James’s bikes epitamize ground up bike building. I wood be proud to ride one.But I just keep on riden Saphire,FXR,Till the end of time.Keep the shinnie side up. OBJ

JJ WAS RIPPED OFF,HE IS A TRUE BIKE BUILTER,MOST MEN WOOD LOVE TO BE JJ,I WISH HE WOOD BUILD MY CHOPPER

Jessie James was set up by the discovery channel Jr built what he’s know for Sr I think built the thing he built to give Jr more votes people that ride bikes are going to vote for bikes not atv and another thing it was a build off Jessie james built a bike Jr more than less supervised hes build so

I’m glad I don’t have discovery channel.the Tutles have NEVER built a bike that I would of wanted to ride.Living in northern California where most of the roads are knot straight but nice tight twistie roads. Those theme bikes would scrap in the turns and bottom out.Been riding for 40+ yrs and chrome won’t get you hame neither will will antlers or sleigh runners or what ever they are called.Now on the other haand Jesse James’s bikes epitamize ground up bike building. I wood be proud to ride one.But I just keep on riden Saphire,FXR,Till the end of time.Keep the shinnie side up. OBJ

Oh boy, if you ever rode a rigid like jesse’s you would know it is not road worthy except to drive to the bar. Jr’s bike was made for a show and IT shows the inginuity of the man himself. All in all I’d take my dresser over any of them for the pure joy of the road. Maybe next time they should include a long ride with the compatition. If anyone but Jr made the bike you wannabees would be all over it.

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None of the entries were my style, I wouldn’t build any of those for myself. So I had to go with creativity, and that eliminates Jessie. The Pauls had some creativity in their designs. Next came man hours, Jr and James. Next came skills, Jr and James. Next came coolness, Sr.

I kept the fact that Jessie said he could build the bike alone, then calls in a bike shop to help him, then says on stage after that he did it alone….

I kept out of it that Jr called his crew on stage to give them credit.

Jr won in more catigories as far as that competition went.

I mentioned many times through out the show that it should be a rule that the builders are required to ride 500 miles on the bikes. But it wasn’t, so I can not hold that against anyone.

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I agree with most here,about time the riders figured out that it’s the riding that counts.You wanna ride or ooh and ahh over a contraption someone and his crew of many ,as well as the outsourcing shops built,?My ride aint nuttin fancy,but its the way i want it.Only thing that matters is the wind in my face and the open air around me.I’ve added some pre 81 Harley police bags,and working on the fairing ,putting them on a 04 2000 vulcan,,yea a little short man syndrome with all that motor under my 5’9″self.Whatever i do is for me ,,and not the masses,,if u like it great, if not oh well.Oh ,btw the parts are coming out of a pre 81 HD parts inventory,,boss kept it all from way back when,,gonna call it my HarwaDaki when i get it all done,Keep em upright and roll on guys,

wow…..don’t know if I can stand all the talk of “real bikers”. Jesse’s bike had a lot of handmade parts but it was the same as every bike he builds! where is the inspiration? I didn’t care for Junior’s bike much but at least I hadn’t seen it a hundred times before. Senior’s was fun, although I don’t think it could do much more than donuts….and set stuff on fire. Bottom line? they all kinda sucked and if you just go to a show at one of the major bike runs, you’ll see what real design is.

I agree 100 % I think JJ has an awesome bike he put time in to making a bike anyone would be proud to ride. I hope he never joins in on that useless bike building. Keep on building them Jess you should have won that build off,not that clown.

I couldn’t agree more. An ATV, another “Theme Bike” and a real motorcycle. A lot of hard work on all 3 but Jessee built the only REAL rideable motorcycle, not another trailer queen.

As a brand new rider who finally got his bike after 9 years of begging my wife, I have to agree completely with this article. The difference to me, is that Jesse builds bikes and Paul Jr. Builds show bikes. I thought Jesse’s was far superior, but I cannot knock Paul Jr for his ability. It was a neat bike, but it was a “show” bike. Jesse’s was a show bike, but it had the spirit of what I have longed for. I think we have to take them both into context. It was the Biker Build Off and OCC that first had me drooling over bikes 9 years ago. What is missing, as one other individual noted, is the Indian Larry flare and creative touch. Jesse put that into his bike. Personally, I think the person that should have done more was Paul Sr. If he had gone back to his roots and used his money, experience, and machinery to build an old time custom bobber, he probably could have brought us to a happy medium between the two sides of the argument. Personnally, I think less is more. A bike in the old style, stripped down to bare bones, with a hard working soul and the individual personal touches of the builder are what will always win in my eye.

While I agree with the part about Jesse being his own man and his fabrication skills. And while his bike did look cool, I would not ride it a block for it. It looked about as uncomfortable as any bike I’ve ever seen, even after him spouting off about building a bike to ride. Yeah, what a joke. Jr. is by far the most creative and Sr. well he never was a builder.

I missed the whole thing. I was too busy in my garage building a sportster bobber for my son.

After reading all of this, I would have to say I won.

While i agree with your article, i think Jesse James did build the best bike. However, i think Paul Jr. is trying hard to break away from O.C.C. And this bike shows it. I think the bike was less themed and more inspired by WWII fighters. And to my reckoning, its the best looking bike Paulie has ever designed. Dont get me wrong, i wouldnt want to ride it, but i wouldnt mind seeing it up close. The bottom line for me is, PJD’s entry was less a bike and more a work of art… to that note, i dont think O.C.C. built many bikes i would ride, but i’ve seen a few of them up close in person, the blues bike, the statue of liberty bike and the POW/MIA bike just to name a few. and each of these bikes are rolling sculptures. I think the custom chopper scene needs one shop that builds outrageous over the top kind of bikes, and for the time being that one shop is PJD.

I couldn’t disagree more with te author. Yes props to Jessie for being the only one in the competition to build his bike with little or no outside help or parts. That said, the Nature of a build off and a vote is to build and vote for a bike that you would most like to be seen riding down main street of your town. Both Paul Sr.’s and Jr.’s bikes are way more likely to turn heads and have people approach to talk about them. Jessies Bike, while well built was unimaginative, and just like every other bike built by a garage mechanic chopper builder. (I have seen a nearly identacle bike built by my friend in his barn in St Louis.)
I don’t have the ability, the tools or the know how to build my own chopper, but I am by no means any less a bike enthusiast than the author. What I do have is a sizeable wallet, and the ability to purchase a motorcycle I would be proud to ride down the street. Dollar for Dollar, I would buy the 1 gallon mustang themed bike any day over a run of the mill chopper that Jessie Built. I remind the author of another discovery show called biker build off. I would also take almost any of those bikes over the one that Jessie built. What does that tell you about his bike?

As for Jessie’s social life? I am proud that america judged him on his behavior. It is about time society started holding people to a higher standard of behavior. I sincerely hope that Jessie james dissapears into inabscurity like he deserves.

Okay you have some great points. I agree where is Pauls soul in this bike. Maybe he left it at OCC? I agree with a lot of what you have written for quite some time. but to say Paul is Justin Bieber and Jesse is Led Zeppelin is pushing it. And to say Paul Senior built something that isn’t a motorcycle at all, but at least he was trying to think outside the box — I think. You are pushing it again. You give some credit to Senior when most of what OCC did but that was the crew that is at PJD.
Jesse and Paul had the same stage. Jesse knew the back ground of the show and how the winner would be picked. Good news, It is a shot in the arm for the industry and people like Jesse need to capitalize on it and not worry about compromising. And that he doesn’t care a lick what other people thought of him. Bikers have not lost their way. They have been lumped together with what a bikers have become. Thanks to what bikers have become J & P Cycles exist. The industry is not leaning toward the bad ass biker image. It is however returning to its roots like the original image that Harley Davidson started with over 100 years ago. If you don’t know HD’s history check it out.
All in all it is what it is. James Dean was never a bad ass biker and most bikers (I say that loosely) are not on the road so that people think they are. They are out with other bikers in the sun (or in my case heated gear on in 13 degree temps) living life on their own terms at least most of the time.

Its all a sript for a TV ratings nothing to do with winners or losers. Everybody on stage gets a hefty check win or lose. Just like the rift with the Tuttles makes for ratings like a daytime soap opera. As far as the bikes go , which one could you take on a trip 500 miles and truely enjoy the ride? Whether you ride a chopper or dresser it about the ride and putting your soul at peace that makes a true biker 1% or 99%. These bike build offs are a joke , the real builders put their part of their soul into every bike they build to ride and whether its $1 or $1,000,000 they sell it for you can aleast enjoy the ride. You can sit around and watch TV or you can ride for entertainment!!!

First, why didn’t you show all three bikes? Sr. , I think, was trying to outdo PJD’s video game bike. Jesse is THE premiere old school bike builder. His love life is never a factor in admiring his work! Paul Jr. is in the spotlight and he earned it! The Cadillac victory gave him his creds! 1% my ass! The motorcycle world is NOT any longer made up of rowdy misfits lookin’ for a fight, those individuals are dinosaurs, domestic drug cartels and piryahs! Have everyone at Sturgis show up in thier cars and everyday street clothes…middle America! Junior is a talented designer, Jesse is an awesome builder, with a wild side and and a bit of a stoner approach( it’s genetic) Sr., well he took the bull by the horns, sucked on the teet of Hollywood and let his greed alienate his kids. The military may want his contraption(Oh! Wait, there is a show for that!) But , Jr. and Jesse they are two sides of an evolving coin and the biker community should be happy for the good press they generate!

I used to watch those “Biker Build Off’s” until it turned into a family sitcom! Who really cares anyway? Evrybody got paid, win or loose. I’ll just continue burning sticks, smearing Bondo, burning brain cells with cheap rattle can paint in a closed, poor lit garage and being happy with what I got. What I built, and the comments of praise from all the people who spend tens of thousands of $ on their bolt togeather highway dreams.

I like all the bikes! BUT, if I got to look around the headlight to see the road, put my knees up to my chest, reach up in the air to get to the bars, EXCUSE ME but that ant comfortable on a long ride. Hell I am going to enjoy my self on the road or off. Life it too flipping short to just look cool! Yes I rife a FLHTCU, I also have a Yamaha chopper from back in the 60′s , and I own a 1980 Interstate Gold Wing. I don’t care what you ride, as long as you enjoy your self. Get on a moped and lets go riding. I ant no better than you. I do not have a cafe racer I got a Bar Cruse-er. Lets Ride!

Well, I couldn’t have said it better. Having met all three, JJ is the only one who knows what bikes are meant to be anymore. Granted PJD bike was cute (except for those ghetto rims), and deserved it’s place in the Air and Space museum in DC or the National D-Day museum in New Orleans…other than that, it’s a useless piece of art. The only reason I even tuned in was to see them meet and ride like the old BBO…where, if those rules applied, only one bike would have made it! Shame on you DSC…

Bike building is alive and well. It’s just on a budget now. Ask anyone that’s taken an old bike and made a simple bobber out of it. These are some of the most creative bikes being built today. Fathers and sons, and occationally daughters, turning wrenches together in their own garages. OCC and JJ build corporate bikes for corporations or for owners of large corporations. Okay to watch for a TV program but I’d take the bike my son and I built ourselves over any of their bikes any day.

Paul Snr needs to retire, his last bike attempt was so pathetic, I would even be embarrassed taking a picture of it. He has made his money, nice home, toys, but enough is enough…goodbye Paul Snr.
Heres the scoop, Rick needs to move over to Jesse James productions, Vinnie shot his mouth off at JJ, so he is done. Paul jnr needs to go make babies and close the shop after OCC files bankruptcy.
The winner Jesse James of course.

Even though I really dislike the name, this is why I will always call myself a motorcyclist, never a biker. Really, the debate over whether something qualifies as a bike if it can move under its own power far enough to make it to the next bar or not is not what motorcycling is about. These are two wheeled sculptures, some of which may be able to move a short distance under their own power. You can decide if the builders are artists, artisans, or simply very skilled metal workers.

I’ll take my motorcycle. Ya know, something designed by engineers, with some knowledge of things like physics, or modern brake, suspension or electrical systems. Something that will take me 700 miles in a day, like mine did last week (and not on a superslab). You can have your bikes.

Paul Jr. is a spoiled Boy, That’s why Sr. is so disgusted with him. Jesse has no Principles, Ethics or Integrity. That’s why nothing or nobody that has any of those 3 things hang’s with him. Lesson: Build your own stuff, ride it and Quit “Profiling”.

Jesse brought his bike to the wrong contest,IT’S A SHOW NOT A FUNCTIONAL BIKE CONTEST.Jesse’s bike is the same thing over and over with plenty of building skill.Jr’s. bike is what the people want and most of the public hates one percenters and don’t want to be one of these losers.Just ride your two wheels,don’t judge the guy riding a bike not to your liking and put the scenery and miles behind you!

Its all for TV ratings not even close to a real biker. How many of these things do you see on a trip . its about the ride and these are not something you would do a 500 mile ride on. People who eat this shit up are not true living the life bikers whether you ride a chopper or you ride a dresser, the fact is you ride for your souls peace not for a rating.

In a perfect world, I would own a bike for every occasion. I put 600 miles a day for 7 days straight on my cruiser, I like to see anyone do that on a chopper of any kind. I jumped 20 ft. (big deal for me, first time) on my dirt bike, couldn’t do that on my cruiser. Scrapped my pegs doing 30 on the same dragons tail corner on my cruiser that I did doing 60 on my friends sport bike. I have a friend who has a 1930 something original Harley chained with a steamship anchor chain to his living room floor, never rides it, just looks at it… get my point(s) If your going to slam anyone, slam the T.V. execs. (But you can’t really, because they were very successful in what they set out to do).
My advice to them for the next show would be to re-Set the parameters for a build off – i.e. Chopper or Theme Bike (use same theme, different approaches) or Bobber or sport bike, or what ever tickles your fancy. And I guess since it’s the T.V. exects who are footing the bill for build, they can invite who ever they think will make them their money back. You want to see JJ build another all part bike made from scratch bike that looked just like the last one but with different paint, dig in for a couple mil and put it on the air, I’d watch.

Riders? Really? Well, I have ridden a few hardtails, but had the good sense to never own one. I don’t ride much anymore, but I have had atleast 20 bikes over the years and have put on a few miles. Not the millions you “must” have. 400-500K give or take. I don’t even like softails for riders. For long hauling not much beats a Goldwing (owned 3), a Roadglide (1 in the garage), or an Electra Glide (owned 1). For serious canyon carving buy a crotch rocket (only owned 1). For around town any old mid size Honda or Kawasaki will do the trick. (I’ve owned a number of them.)

I’ve also done a couple 1K+ plus mile weekends. None of them have been on a hardtail. I have done a couple road trips with young studs showing off their bad ass old school savior or hard tail, and had their passenger ask me if they could ride back with me.

Custom is custom, and riders are riders. And people say I don’t get it. LOL.

You want a “custom” “rider” then make the challenge to build a bagger with lots of roll on mid range power and decent geometry air suspension.

ROFL

The “World’s Oldest Delinquent”, Jesse James, had a chance here to finally go outside of HIS box and build a wild bike. He failed, again. Yes the bike was truly hand-built, and looked NO different than my old early shovel chop that I put together in 1971! I respect the fact that he made everything himself, but that’s all been done before (Indian Larry?). I do respect Jesse’s metal bending talents, but his self-centered, arrogant, and extremely immature personality ha s always turned me off. He’s just another prick with a big head! Paul Sr., should NEVER have broughgt that idiotic machine to something like this. What is it that he doesn’t understand about the phrase “bike build off?” His personality is also well known and documented via “American Chopper.” Another self-centered, arrogant, insecure a-hole who needs a good ass-kickin’! Paul Jr’s bike is a work of art, no argument there,but can’t be ridden more than 20 miles. I wouldn’t want to ride JJ’s bike more than 20 miles, either! And, I wouldn’t ride the OCC thing more than 20 feet! This show wasn’t about bike building. It was about personalities and popularity, and Jr. showed class and integrity by not acting like the other two. JJ and Sr. will NEVER grow up and see themselves for who/what they really are. You NEVER hear Jr. talking smack about his dad, nor anyone else, at least not in public. He shows respect, class, and integrity when in the public eye, and THIS is why he won the BBO! The other two provide NO competition on those topics. Yes, the best “man” won, not necessarily the best builder.

2006 Biker Build Off, 2 guys built their bikes in somewhere USA and rode them to Laconia, N.H.
Billy Lane and that guy from Australia (something Russell something)I forget I had a pretty good buzz on…anyway, Russell’s bike didn’t impress me much, but it was a bike built to ride. Billy Lane’s bike was the coolest bike and should have won except for the fact that it sprung a leak in the gas tank and caught on fire! So needless to say it showed up in the back of a pickup.(it was a Pan bye the way)
My point is, these two guys built bikes that were meant to be ridin’. Granted Billy sprung a leak, but shit can happen when your put to a time frame. He still rode his bike quite aways before encountering his problem. Jr.’s bike holds a whopping gallon of gas…where the hell you going with that little fuel? If the build off was a concept build off, then give credit where credit is due…Jr. has the team for concepts! I think this show was definatly a popularity contest which we all knew Jr. would win. Sr.!!! WTF were you thinking? “Bike Build Off”…not fucking space craft, futuristic, not even able to ride shit man! Jesse’s bike did look uncomfortable, but thats what he rides and builds. All the build offs Jesse has been in, he seems to build the same stile seating for himself…I guess he is comfortable like that!
The Hard Rock probably had a dozen real bikers in the crowd and the rest were OCC fans.(i am only guessin’)
I wish the Discovery Channel would go back to the Build off shows like they used to air…R.I.P. Indian Larry, wish you were still with us to show these occ monkeys how to build a real bike!
all these guys can keep building their choppers, and I’ll keep on riding the bobber that I built…(Billy Lane approved bye the way)
Stay safe and keep the rubber on the road !!!

the following are the oppinions of one cold bored biker from up north who really doesn’t give a shit one way or another………Oh yeah…Mitch Russell
think I gave myself a brain cramp!!!

The way to make this a real competition is to have a 500 mile riding requirement, say from LA to Vegas and back. Remember, the vast majority of voters were 12-15 year old little boys who don’t yet know anything about turning wrenches. They just graduated from their Big Wheel plastic bike. I loved your line about watching PJD making you want to go to the kitchen and get some chips… : ) I wonder how many of those Coleman grills “he designed” got sold at 90% off at salvage outlets?

Most of the newer bikes are like silicon women, nice to look at and rub on, but not-rideable

Ok, I watched the show and have now read most of your article. I consider myself a biker even though I don’t wear colors and don’t have the diamond at this time, but I believe you have lost touch with what people think a biker is. I’ve had conversations with ppl I know and they like the stupid theme bikes! I loved Jesse James bike! I have my Shovelhead I am rebuilding over the winter and love real Harley’s and real choppers n bobbers! But ppl don’t consider theirselves bikers just cause they got a fat tire chopper and only ride once a month but at least when they do they enjoy the ride. I might think they’re more of a biker than you. Mainly cause they’re out for a ride and not to judge what the other guys riding. Still, I understand your feelings are hurt that Jesse didn’t win and I agree that he should have won! But the people that watch that show were mostly juniors fans! I didn’t vote cause I just caught the show flipping thru channels but Jesse stated the fuckin truth. He builds bikes for real bikers! Kind that can go for long trips ripping out at 100mph! But if you’re this hurt over it then maybe you just need to go take a long ride and remember that real bikers don’t care as much as you have stated on here.

This was all made for tv folks. There has always been the good guy versus bad guy between Jr. and Sr. Kinda reminded me of pro wrestling in a way. Jr. has been the underdog for a couple years and Sr. has been the mean old dad. Anyone taking the build-off serious is getting too involved. It’s intertainment. It’s pretty much a popularity contest made for tv. All the people agreeing with the article sounded like a bunch of losers. JJ is nothing more than a rich spoiled overgrown kid. A real example for your kids. Jr. and Sr. theme bikes are bought by corporations for a purpose which seems to be auctioned off for charity.

I build and have rode old school rigid chops since 1978. I also hunt big game world wide. I also build exotic bikes that “any” of the aft mentioned “big names” in the bike world today, would have no idea as to what I’m doing. I was invited to exibit in the “premier” class at Arlen Ness’s show where only 20 bikes in the country were invited. Do I consider myself special ? F*** NO ! I’ve “pushed” more Knucks, pans and shovels more miles than alot these TV fruitcakes have riden. My customs are for a certain sector, not everyone will appreciate the extreme artwork that is present, but I have too much gray hair to worry about it. go to mountainchoppers.net and mountainchoppers.blogspot.com I welcome your good and bad comments.

Thanks,
Dan Bell

Most of the newer bikes are like silicon women, nice to look at and rub on, but unridable.

Whatever is said about the bikes is inconsequential. This was TV. Entertainment. And Jesse dropped the ball. Jesse James came off as just what he is: Rude, inarticulate, crass and pompous. Basically a BIKER. But that does not cut it in the world of TV bike builders. The best thing he could have done was shut up about everything but the work process itself and explain how detailed the job was as he was doing it. He needs to get back to building bikes and get out of the entertainment industry. He’s just not cut out for it.

2006 Biker Build Off, 2 guys built their bikes in somewhere USA and rode them to Laconia, N.H.
Billy Lane and that guy from Australia (something Russell something)I forget I had a pretty good buzz on…anyway, Russell’s bike didn’t impress me much, but it was a bike built to ride. Billy Lane’s bike was the coolest bike and should have won except for the fact that it sprung a leak in the gas tank and caught on fire! So needless to say it showed up in the back of a pickup.(it was a Pan bye the way)
My point is, these two guys built bikes that were meant to be ridin’. Granted Billy sprung a leak, but shit can happen when your put to a time frame. He still rode his bike quite aways before encountering his problem. Jr.’s bike holds a whopping gallon of gas…where the hell you going with that little fuel? If the build off was a concept build off, then give credit where credit is due…Jr. has the team for concepts! I think this show was definatly a popularity contest which we all knew Jr. would win. Sr.!!! WTF were you thinking? “Bike Build Off”…not f**king space craft, futuristic, not even able to ride shit man! Jesse’s bike did look uncomfortable, but thats what he rides and builds. All the build offs Jesse has been in, he seems to build the same stile seating for himself…I guess he is comfortable like that!
The Hard Rock probably had a dozen real bikers in the crowd and the rest were OCC fans.(i am only guessin’)
I wish the Discovery Channel would go back to the Build off shows like they used to air…R.I.P. Indian Larry, wish you were still with us to show these occ monkeys how to build a real bike!
all these guys can keep building their choppers, and I’ll keep on riding the bobber that I built…(Billy Lane approved bye the way)
Stay safe and keep the rubber on the road !!!

the following are the oppinions of one cold bored biker from up north who really doesn’t give a shit one way or another………

I keep saying PJD is not a bike builder. His name even says say PJ Design. His company is not PJ Choppers or Motorcycles, it’s Design? Paul Jr makes rolling advertisements, and art work. OCC has a bunch of engineers who aren’t even real bikers or bikers at the least. To much computer animated machinery and outsoruced work by other companies. Jesse hit it on the head, it’s about riding and going places. This build off for some reason they didn’t have to ride to a rally. Probably cause Paul Sr and Jr claim to not have time. I think of my bikes as my partners, my horse, my friend, my lady. Something I depend on when I am on the road. Something I depend on to get me home through hell and high water. The build off is anexample of bikers and bike owners. Bikers ride there bike and don’t make excuses due to the weather or what time of day it is. Bike owners brag about having a bike but don’t ride. I don’t understand guys who have had a bike for 5 years and haven’t even put 4,000 miles on it. What is the point of owning it then? The working mans era is over sad to say. It is now all about technology, and Iphones. The downfall of man and the laziness we welcomed thanks to the conveince of machines.

I’m with you, I love Jesse’s bike. Sr. didn’t build a bike, but I’d love to take his contraption for a ride. I’ve never liked Jr. or his bikes. I’m more into riding my bike then just standing aropund looking at it. Want a bike thats rideable, not somethink I’d be afraid it’d break, or get a scrach on it.

Holy jesus thank you for this article. It’s refreshing to know there really are people out there that aren’t blinded by shiny objects. These theme bikes are nothing but corporate promotional items. Real bikes to me are the ones scrapped together in your own garage busting knuckles trying to figure it out on your own. Thank you Patrick for getting this out there.

As the average Joe who cannot afford any bikes made by any of these guys.They all have sucked the soul out of bikes,making them too costly.

Sounds like everyone has an opinion. Me too! I loved Jesse’s bike and yes is he is a loud mouth, but the guy is good at what he does, and is what he is. Jr’s bike was very cool! He and his crew spent many hours on it. Don’t care for the fact you can only ride about 100 miles and then visit the local station. Kind of b***h that he hasn’t fixed that issue in his designs.. Sr what a disappointment, he had a real opprotunity to show what he can do. What does he do???? Shows up at a gunfight with a knife… must have known he didn’t have a snowballs chance in hell of winning…. RollOn

seriously!!! what did you expect, It was a Discovery channel production. Why would they have showed it if Jessie had won. Yes I remember monster garage, but now the OCC crew have their ratings so, they will obviously promote the thing that will continue to bring in the money.
That being said, If Jessie did win we might get to see him in a new show that will build bikes that people ride. Unlike the bikes that junior and senior build that all go in their ” museum”

Lets get a real biker builder build-off going. Jesse James ,Dave Perewitz,Matt Hotch,Paul Cox
rules are it has to be 48 state DOT legal(lights,blinkers,mirrors,etc),2 WHEELS with rubber TIRES, frame and all sheetmetal parts must be fabricated (as Jesse did – tubing , solidstock , sheetmetal) motor has to be built from parts- not a buy completed and install .
Once completed in an agreed set amount of time ,it must be ridden by the builder a minimum of 500 miles to a designated judging point and each roadside breakdown costs the contestant 25 of the votes counted. Film the build all you want-Nothing publicly televised or voted on until it is done and at the judging point.
Fair enough?

… that’s what happens when you let ANYONE vote on something….. like what happened in 2008…..

Shut-up and build – everyone has an opinion! the bike industry is dead – the numbers say it all , I love bikes but the builders asking for ridicules prices are gone… $100k bike? Go blow yourself – the shows are just as fake as the jersey shore..

Build and Ride otherwise F#%k off

I think jesse is a d**k his bike is a dime a dozent you had to look around to see, very nice a** hole. and JR’s well it’s a show no go stop at every gas station . the old man what the fu*k was that! lets be real if I was JR I whould have kicked jesse ass right on the show what a dick who does he think he is . I know the show is runing out of things to show but that wasn’t it

Jr. and Senior never touch the engines or trannies except to slide them into someone else’s frame. This is NOT motorcycle building. One may not like Jesse, but he is a builder and a biker!

JJ GOT ROBBED, TRUE BIKE BUILDER,I WISH HE WOULD BUILD MY CHOPPER,MOST PEOPLE WISH THEY WERE JJ

The show was just that a show. As far as JJ mouthing Paul Senior the old man could still stomp a mudhole in JJ and not even be breathing hard. Paul Jr. would not have anything if it weren’t for Sr. As far as the bikes went Sr’s was not a bike and none of them could be ridden 50 miles without a lot of pain. These guys are pulling all of our strings for us to even waste our time writing on here instead of being out in the wind.

Paul Jr’s bikes are like dating a mannekin. You can dress them up pretty, but the ride only goes so far…

When Indian Larry passed so did the true custom bike building industry. Guys like Jesse need to carry the torch. Thank god for guys like Paul Cox and Keino keeping the functional custom style alive!

Anything gets brought to TV usually ends up getting polluted. Including bike building, as we’ve seen. It should be about rideability first, speed next, and all the foofoo tack on junk a distant last. Due respect to the OCC guys for going from steelworkers to media stars, of course, but that’s TV.

I also have to ask.
So Patrick, leaving out the swear words, what nice things do you think J.J. would have to say about J.P. cycles and their contribution to real bikes and real bike builds?

Sorry, could you repeat what you said, I couldn’t hear anything…

Ian, I don’t know what Jesse James would have to say about J&P, I would love to ask him.

As far a As far as J&P’s contribution to “real” bike builds I would say we are the biggest contributors to real bike builds on the planet. I’m not sure you read the entire post. That was the point of the article, that a “real” biker is someone that RIDES their bike no matter what kind of bike it is. In my opinion, a real biker doesn’t have any use for a propeller, lightning bolt bike with streamers on the handle bars. We sell parts to real people who who wrench in their garages so they can RIDE.

I agree 100 percent. I was a fan of the old WCC show and watching them bang out a bike from scratch. The problem for the networks is that there was just not enough drama. Where I became disgusted with Jesse and West Coast Choppers was when apparrel and stuff started showing up at Wal-Mart. Can’t blame the man for making some dough but jeez it’s Wal-Mart for god’s sake. Then he started branching out from just bikes to other things and that is when I lost interest in Jesse. The only Monster Garage shows I really watched were those involving bikes. I particularly liked the one where he went into the DC inner city schools and taught the kids how to build bikes. Kudos for that one.

I will say the one thing that got me on the Build Off was the fact that Jesse was back. Doing his thing and hammering out a bike from the ground up. While, as the article states, I knew PJD would win, I really think Jesse’s second place finish was a win for him. I especially think so because if you pulled out all the non bikers, I feel positive that JJ would have stolen the show. Although, why the heck he added all of the crazy crap to a beautiful bike is beyond me but that is Jesse.

“JOKE” sums up this so-called “biker build-off”. Right from the get-go, it appeared to be a grab by The Discovery Channel to wring out whaat it can from the Teutel soap opera. Has OCC (and Paulie) put together some interesting “themes”, made donations to charities, brought smiles to kids? Yes, yes and yes, which unto themselves is not a bad thing. But to hand the win to Paulie was patronization to the point of “the fix is in”. Jesse (while I do not have to agree with his personal choices) should have won this ersatz “competition” hands down.

Jesse Built his bike. Pj assembled his bike big difference.

A flamethower, a smokeblower, and a MOTORCYCLE what do you want to ride.

This build off was a popularity contest. I figured Junior would win regardless of what he built. Senior did not build a bike, however what he built required more creativity than Junior. I also believe Jesse was the true winner. This was about building a motorcycle, not something for show that you can only ride 20 miles before needing gas. I believe Junior is an ungrateful brat whom has ridden on his fathers coat tails to where he is now. If not for Discovery Channel. Junior would be pounding the pavement looking for work.

I see arrogance in all three bike builders here,,,usually brought on by the lime-light! JJ is a negative, self-destructive individual, who has blown his life long before he started his rant on this show. Paul Sr. , although mostly the same,,just over acts for the ratings or sumptin??? & Jr. is stubborn as a mule (understandably so) & wants to show he belongs in this charade. I believe he built the best “show-bike” if that was supposed to be the outcome, Sr. brought his “I dont want to be normal” machine, which should have aired on Star-Trek and JJ brought a nice bar to bar ride which certainly shows his talent for the old school-new day build. all in all it was sort of entertaining for 10 minutes or so, then the yawns started hitting. sorry if i sound pessimistic but i have outgrown the “wanna be seen” riding stuff, give me a bike that will tour many miles,,throw in a windshield to keep my teeth clear of bugs,,maybe a nice stereo to jam to,,,& let me put some asphalt behind me!!! save all that pretty boy stuff for the young uns!! I probably wont ever be on TV with my present day attitude but my body wont ache after a full day’s ride either!

All i can say is Jesse James is a “BIKE BUILDER” and PJD and OCC are “BIKE ASSEMBLERS”. Anyone can buy parts and put a bike together but only a select few can build from the ground up. They need to have PJD and OCC do that to really call it a Build Off.

Paul Sr did what most farthers would, not compet look at what he built. He is the most capable with the most axcess to do it . i voted for j.j. even if he had to look around the tank Paul jr has had a silver spoon in his mouth from the start he has had it all “given” to him from the start , and donsn’t even know it . wonder what j.j. would have built if he had had that Kind of start.??

hello to all bikers i have watched both jesse and paul sr and jr and all i can say is i am disgusted with the conduct of all three men they have turned motorcycles and being a biker into something unrecognizable to real bikers i do believe paul sr and jesse were at one time the real deal but have sunk to something less thanks to so called reality shows if you have watched pauls show you can see in the back ground the ridable bikes he has built and should go back to that and jesse needs to clean it up he gives the impression that bikers are a bunch of foul mouth jackasses and we are not pual jr for god sakes will some body pull his head out of his ass for him

A flamethower, a smokeblower, and a MOTORCYCLE what do you want to ride

I knew the outcome of the whole build-off. Who didn’t ? It was an American Chopper episode. Helloooo. Firstly- it was a BIKE build -off and Sr built a snowmobile flame thrower, not DOT or roadworthy in any state ,should have been disqualified,period.
Jr designed and his team built a very nice machine ,although airplane themed . Could he have ridden it 500 miles to a set judging point ,maybe but I doubt it.His tank was a whopping 1 gallon hidden under the engine.
Jesse James – he is the bike builder of the three contestants ,fabricator and designs things HIMSELF. His bike showed up on a flatbed truck in pieces ,raw ,sheet steel , tubing and solid stock . He BUILT the frame ,himself, he took mallet and lead shot bag in hand and pounded out fenders and a gas tank . I noticed that unlike the Teutels he didn’t buy a frame some other company made and then slap an oversized set of tires on it and say wow it looks really good,see what I did? Jesse didn’t even put the wheels on his until it was almost done and guess what , it fit . He didn’t have to ask Vinny what he thought or if this would work . Jesse said it , he built it a 1000 times in his head before he even put tubing to bender or welder to steel. He had an idea and fabricated the stainless steel springer front end . I ride a springer myself and I think designing and building one from scratch is no easy feat. I do not think though that Jesse brought his best stuff to the show , the paint was very simple and plain, he could have done something different but the fact remains that he built the tank and welded it up , it was rounded ,not angled like a warped shoebox .Jesse should have won by all “biker build-off “rules. He built a bike , bike themed as he even said. It was a bike anyone could ride anywhere . I’d hop on that bike for a few hundred miles without a doubt .Paulie had a nice airplane themed machine , whether it was a long ride worthy , I don’t think so .It belongs in an art show rather than a garage. Senior, go back to the shop and pick up some tools yourself before you say to a whole audience that you build bikes, you have a team you pay to do it for you and even then , the majority of parts are purchased not fabricated. The only thing Sr did about that ..thing..was point fingers, be his overbearing self and write the checks to the suppliers and his employees.

The show was interesting in terms of watching the 3 teams build concept bikes. The results, however, were easily predictable.
In a way, I do have some respect for Paul Sr. who was able to create his own industry using the original TV show. The industry of building motorcycles as advertisements did not exist until OCC began to create advertising “choppers” for people who did not know an S & S from a lawn mower.
Since Sr. picked on Jr. and fired him, he got a bad rap. Jr. seemed to feel that OCC could not run without him. No one is irreplaceable.
I have a lot of respect for JJ’s skills and talent building cars and bikes…..but he appears to be a dumb ass and would be unable to speak if it was illegal to use the word “like” 30 times in a sentence…..?? In Jesse’s world he is the only one who knows the trade. I know a few others who are as good as…or better than JJ.
Finally, I don’t know where the idea ever came from that made large corporations feel that in order for them to sell more potatio chips, or micro chips or whatever the hell they are selling that they need to purchase a decorated motorcycle……?? Someone apparently told the Marketing dept. that they will sell more corn seed if they appear to be hip, trendy and
and avante gard if they place their logo on a 1,500lb overloaded cycle that will never be ridden…??? Seems strange to me. 40 years from now, Frankie and Mike (the Pickers) will be finding all these rusty bikes in a barn some where and buy them to make coffee tables out of.

I don’t agree at all, I used to be a JJ fan, key word, used to be.. I thought Jesse acted like a pompous idiot, “I don’t need anyones help”, I make everything from scratch.. Yea, right, And then practically gushed when the Calvery arrived to save him!! You must have watched a different show than I did, I was not at all impessed with jesse’s bike, Vinny said it best, ” You see bikes just like that at bike night”. Come on, are you kidding me? I agree the creation by OCC was pretty stupid, it was not a “bike”, but to not give credit where credit is due, is just as stupid! Jr’s bike was the definate winner!! I am shocked and dismayed with your comments, I would think you would be impressed with the out of the box design of Jr’s bike, and glad because of the buisiness you are in providing custom parts so that people like me can build their dream bike.. In case you haven’t noticed, bikes like Jesse offered up for this build-off, have gone by the way of the dinosaur, who wants 12”s up, and 20” over, talk about a real rider, did you even see the footage of him on it trying to see the road in front of him?! Get your head out of the “box”, or you might go by the way of the dinosaur too!!

Let’s face it,The OLD SCHOOL BIKER ia an endangered species.Today everyone wants to be “bobby badass biker”and hang every available aftermarket gizzmo they can get their hands on on a “store bought chopper”and tell everyone about how hard it was to build the thing.What happened to building you scoot,by that I mean late nights bustin’ knuckles,freezin’ you ass off because if you paid to heat the shop you wouldn’t be able to buy the paint you wanted or a new drive chain,etc….. wrenchin’….fabrication…paint,basically takin’ a pile of parts9usually well used or worn out) and massaging and beating it into somthing that your proud of and proud to ride!
Don’t run out and buy a part instead envision it….build it then rebuild it until you like the look then bolt it on.
Jesse James should have won on looks alone,as far as having help,I’ve seen people take years to build a scoot but when it was finished it was unique to that individual not a pile of store bought parts bolted together………make it your own!
I’m not sure what Senior built,not a motorcycle but I’d love to ride the damn thing!
pjd, not much to say,a f*^#!*g chandalier with wheels bolted on it. I’d like to see him ride it 500 miles!He’s been an insolent little snot brat from the beginning,if Senior hadn’t handed him everything he would still be in a sandbox playing with toy “bikes”…….what ever happened to HONOR your FATHER and MOTHER? RESPECT YOUR ELDERS?RESPECT YOURSELF?Don’t be a sell out!
Senior must wish he hadn’t “spared the rod and spoiled the child”.
Look at it,I guess it is all about ratings or a lack of ratings. I just hate it when people think the world owes them fame and fortune
I gotta wonder where he would be without the TV show.
junior-get over yourself.
Senior-look back at that first “chopper”you built,figure out what changed and go back to that point and work from there…….big bucks ain’t everything!
Jesse-Keep buildin’ them from the haert and ‘RIDE ‘UM LIKE YA’ STOLE ‘UM”
I know my spelling sucks but you get the idea and the initals that aren’t capitalized are that way for a reason…..Respect or the lack of it (mine),ya want it earn it.
Just one more thought,Mikey…….your cool!

I voted for Jesse’s bike. Now,,if he would just shut his mouth. He talks like a 14 year old stoner/surfer
from the left coast. Grow up and shut up would be my advice to Jesse’.
You people have the gall to put down junior for building something that is worthless for riding. Do you remember what made James popular,,Monster Garage,,where he built some of the most worthless garbage known to man.
I think that they are all a bunch of worthless,glory hounds. The only TV biker I have had any use for,died a while back.
His name was Indian Larry. He was a builder and a nice guy,,that is,,once he kicked the smack.

I have worked in television for years and rode hard-tails, Hondas, etc. for years. I know one thing for certain. There is building a television show and there is building a bike, hot-rod, etc. and they will always be mutually exclusive acts with completely differing priorities. Those gentlemen were paid to build highly detailed set dressing for a television show using the constraint of a two-wheeled, internal combustion powered machine.

Liked the show but figured Jesse was not going to win either..As for Sr. well I live in snow country so lets go sledding… If I had my wish, Jesse’s would be sitting in my garage right now…

I don’t watch OCC because they don’t build real choppers.

Aaaaaah, no one noticed or knew this but me? HEY, JUNIOR – IF YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD A P-51 THEMED BIKE – HAVE A REAL P-51 COME TO GIVE YOU INSPIRATION!!! NOT SOME 3/4 SCALE BIG BLOCK CHEVY POWERED WANNABE (no offense to big block Chevys). Cute little airplane, but that was no more a P-51 than Paul Sr’s “bike” was rideable.

Being a motorcycle AND piston powered aviation freak, this was an affront to me – Junior, you’re a punk. Do it right, or DON’T DO IT.

Say what you will – Jesse won, hands down.

You are pandering to Jesse. His bike is uninspiring and looks extremely uncomfortable. He acted like a petulant child and kept on bad-mouthing the competition…a sure sign of an insecure person.

That said, Pauls bike, while a work of art…not a biker’s bike. it looked unrideable due to a metal seat..gimme a break!!… a 50 mile range due to a pea-sized gas tank…it belongs in a museum, not on a street. I’d be embarassed to show up at my HOG ride on that bike,

The competition would have been different and yielded a different winner if a builder like Matt Hoch would have competed…but he’s not going to draw an audience like Jesse.

Ride safe.

After 50 years of two wheeling, I suggest that we ride because we love it and like a woman we’d like the way it looks. It had better perform or we get rid of it. What’s more important? If you have enough gold for a trophy wife, you have a real woman on the side that can make the ride or journey worth while. Looks are great but if it doesn’t get the job done find something that will get it done. Real craft was shown by all the builders, more fab. was done by JJ. But the idea was to build something special that could function as a bike was supposed function- to ride reliably. There are guys who can do this, we just did not see them here.

The buid off was just another stunt in a long string of stunts to mske sure that Discovery could renew the biker version of Jersey Shores. Why Jesse James even got involved is beyond me. Perhaps he just wanted to make the industry realize that all these guy’s build is bike for corporations that have more money to waste on useless unrideable bikes rather than pay their workers a decent wage. Each of those “Theme Bikes” cost around 150K, wouldn’t it be nice if companies divided that up as Xmass bonuses. How many workers even get near them once a pinhead CEO gets their hands on it. As Jesse said to both the Turtle heads let’s gas up these things and go for a balls out ride. You noticed they blew it off. If all you want is bling snd something to park in your garage and show your buddies how much money you have to waste have one of the turtle heads build you a theme bike, if you want just a bad ass chopper Jesse you the man.

While I do love Jesse’s machines, and believe the Diablo is one of the most radical road machines built in its time, I honestly appreciate what Jr. did on the build, although his goals were a little displaced. It must be remembered he DOESN’T build true rider’s machines; that’s not his goal. His goal is to build icons that represent his technique and style. I think I know why Sr. didn’t build a true motorcycle. His and Jesse’s styles are similar, in that both builders address vintage outlaw-style machinery, and Senior eliminated the possibility his bike would be judged negatively by building something that was technically NOT a motorcycle. The most important point in all this is so many of today’s bike builders are trying to build outside the box, and not just crank out another Harley David$on with apes and a solo seat. Look at Chica, Billy Lane, Arlen Ness, and the cats at Exile. I would hesitate to ride many of those machines across town, let alone cross-country, yet they are fine looing machines in their own right. So let’s agree to disagree; there are show bikes, there are road bikes, and there are machines that push all boundaries to the point of non-functioning art. I appreciate them all. But if the media wanted to tout a bike build, I think they should have an amateur build off, stretching over an entire season, with pure amateurs making mistakes and innovating. J&P could sponsor one or more teams, Drag Specialties could sponsor the same, and let the PROS ring in on the individual builds as they progress, like American Idol with gears.You could even give each builder a phone number belonging to a big builder to use as an information base and advisor.

Electra Glide Standard.. Flat black and natural motor. It doesn’t need bath but maybe every six months.. Getcha down the road comfortable and fast, no bullshit add-ons or chrome.. ‘Nuff said..

You had two cake decorators and a real bike builder. Anybody that has ever worked with stainless steel knows who the true craftsman is. PJD doesn’t build bikes they order parts.

While I liked Jesse’s bike, riding that around the block would have put most bikers in traction, and I’m talking real bikers. Not only that, but you couldn’t see over the handle bars…very unsafe for almost anyone. And as far as doing it by himself, please people, he had more people helping him than the other two. Jesse can build a bike, I will give him that, but nearly ever one looks the same with the exception of the color and maybe an add on or two. And even though Jesse is Jesse, I get a little tired of listening to him pat himself on the back (biggest ego ever). I would have liked to see what Jr. can do without the theme idea. Maybe someone will talk him into building one that the rest of us would buy and be able to ride like a bike is supposed to be ridden.

Paul jr won ,plain and simple. Jesse James can’t keep his mouth, a wife or his ego in check. He is a talented fabricator and motorcycle builder but if you think this guy is the poster boy for you average motorcycle rider your nuts.I think it’s sad when a person can’t recognize the talent of others and admit that he lost a competition to another talented bike builder. I guess thoses of us who voted for Paul jr’s bike are wrong and he is right.

Paul’s is a silly looking piece of garbage. jesse’s is a bike. ‘Nuff said.

I gotta agree with you. When I heard the words “Biker Build Off’ I thought of Indian Larry, Billy Lane, Chica and Jesse James. The whole idea of the real biker build off was to have a certain amount of time to complete the bike and then they would RIDE them to the show. I honestley started watching the show thinking that was what was going to happen, RIDE THE BIKES TO VEGAS. How many stops would PJD make along the way with a 3/4 gallon gas tank.
I have to admitt Junior does have some talent but he is not gonna get any respect untill he stops building these “theme” bikes, like jesse said ” I use a motorcycle theme”. I have a feeling this isnt the last we are gonna see out of Jesse James, and I hope I am right. RIDE ON JESSE

I disagree.
Jesse’s looked like every other chopper, sure he (and his help) built it from scratch, and don’t get me wrong it’s a beautiful bike, but so what, it’s been done. And as far as I know, the other 2 built their bikes from ground up too. I think Paul Sr. and his build was an embarrassment, I don’t even know why Paul Sr. was there, did he even pick up a wrench?. As for rideability (sp) I don’t think Jesse would last more than half an hour hanging off the side. So his beef with Pauls bike not having a big enough gas tank to take him anywhere doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. Although I’m not a fan of theme bikes, what Paul has done will change the look of bikes completely in the up coming years. Forget the theme aspect for a minute and look at the design. The large thin front and back tires alone are enough to revolutionize the look and style of future builds, something the other 2 didn’t even come close to doing. For that reason alone, Paul wins. I’m sure this is what people were considering when they voted.

From it’s inception I knew PJD would win. You can’t pit the ridiculous machines that OCC and PJD build against a real bike builder, with fat A^% potato chip, couch riding non bikers as the judges. Jesse James’ bike was by far the only real bike in the build off.

Hey whats wrong with driving your cool bike 10 miles to fill up? What fun is it riding more than 10 miles at a time? JJ was right about one thing. If you can’t ride it don’t build it. I like the show, but I think all of these guys are way into themselves and not the idea of bike building. Long live the memory of one of the kings of bike building. Indian Larry!!! We miss you!

Jesse is contrived just like the Teutels. He is more talented but ‘made’ for TV. Jesse needed the Turtles to revive his TV career, ponder that. The Discovery Channel is garbage; discover another channel. Great hand built bikes and cars are getting produced in gear head’s garages all over America and Discovery gives us these pop-culture popular builders. The entire ‘chopper?’ industry is so lame, just a bunch of recycled ideas like modern music.

I’m pretty much sick of all those bikes you cant ride. A boat load of $$$ for a bike that can only go lees than 20 miles..Bike builders ride real motorcycles! when you can make a bike from scratch that’s a ride!!..lets puts Christmas lights on…deer horns ex;;;;; realy …as long as all the retards keep watching those fools glue stuff on a motorcycle…..this crap will never end..I would love to see them build a bike with NO theme!!
PBR ALL THE WAY!!!!!!

The “soul” of bike building disappeared years ago. All of these machines are the motorcycle equivalent of the 26″ chrome wheel crowd. Jesse James is a talented designer and fabricator, a world-class jerk, and possibly the world’s oldest living adolescent.

Both builders are shitheads. Real difference is Jesse knows but doesn’t care. Paul Jr doesn’t know but if he did he’d still be an arrogant ass who thinks his shit doesn’t stink. As for people saying Jesse’s bike is ordinary then Indian Larry should never have won, nor should any of the other builders because they built ordinary bikes but with original parts. Paul has his loyalists; those who would say that if he were to put wheels on one of his turds that he was being artistic. Jesse engineered his parts; Paul wiped his butt and everyone cheered and clapped.
So as for me I don’t like either one of them personally, but Jesse does build better bikes. As for the turtles, they are just a wasted slot on tv as well as wasted space on this planet.

I’m pretty much sick of all those bikes you cant ride. A boat load of $$$ for a bike that can only go lees than 20 miles..Bike builders ride real motorcycles! when you can make a bike from scratch that’s a ride!!..lets puts Christmas lights on…deer horns ex;;;;; realy …as long as all the retards keep watching those fools glue stuff on a motorcycle…..this crap will never end..I would love to see them build a bike with NO theme!!
PBR ALL THE WAY!!!!

I’m pretty much sick of all those bikes you cant ride. A boat load of $$$ for a bike that can only go lees than 20 miles..Bike builders ride real motorcycles! when you can make a bike from scratch that’s a ride!!..lets puts Christmas lights on…deer horns ex;;;;; realy …as long as all the retards keep watching those fools glue stuff on a motorcycle…..this crap will never end..I would love to see them build a bike with NO theme!!

Sorry to disagree with you. It was called a biker build off. These people on here kissing your ass make me sick. Who cares if it was another theme bike? He built it. BUILT IT!!. Not bought a crap load of stuff and just put it on the bike. Just because one bike is more functional than another doesn’t mean he should lose. Jr.’s bike is bad ass. All that work in it is awesome. James bike is nice. I like it. But the just because one of more functional than another doesn’t mean it is better. It is BIKER BUILD OFF. Not lets build a nice bike that is functional.

I didn’t watch the show. I have no use for Paul Jr or Paul Sr. Fame has gone ot their heads. I remember them at the NY Bike shows before they got famous and the changes that took place after their show was a hit. The used to make some decent bikes and were decent enough people. That all changed over night. I’d assume the same thing happened to Jesse James. OC Choppers bikes look good on TV, but to see them up close they look like crap. Seriously all of the fabricated themed crap looks like garbage.

Guys like Indian Larry, Kimura, always kept it real, even with fame. Those guys are real builders. Jesse James had it at one time, but I think he lost a lot of it. That’s why I wouldn’t waste my time watching their stupid publicity fest build off. Put some class act builders on and I’ll gladly start watching again.

I agree! I am so sick of “theme” bikes and cash hungry pseudo bikers deciding what the biking public really wants. Paul Jrs bike was definately something different. not something I would ever want ot ride. Has it really come down to who can put the most gimmicks on a bike wins? I love motorcycles for their style and functionality! it is hard to beat the styling from the 50′s and 60′s. back in the day we rode what we could afford and paint and chrome played second fiddle to keeping it running. Maybe Jessies bike wasn’t a real rider or anything new. it was however the only one of the three that was a bike that could be taken on a ride and thrashed around. this show is a classic example of whats wrong with biking! give me an old Shovel and an open road, thats biking!

You have alot of nerve.
When Jesse Made the comment about a build sounding like a back up alarm beep beep beep the truck was probably from J&P.
You guys are the number one distributor of chromed plastic out of China.
C’mon Dude! You bash your customers!
J&P is one of the companies resposible for the snap together motorcycle industry and your customer base is these very people call imposters.
Is the real imposter the guy who draws a check from J&P?

Real fabrication is an art that is dying in the United States. I appreciate anything that is crafted by hand – even if I believe the crafter is an idiot with no sense of originality. Bikes are for riding and I know a bit about that after riding for 40+ years. In fact, I got rid of my last car in July of 2009 to be a full time motorcyclist. That is why my primary bike is a BMW GS – it is comfortable and capable anywhere (well, except the memorial rides where I have seen people video the string of Harleys and then turn off their camera when they see me coming! Now that is arrogance!). I do have a custom Harley too! However, it is set up cafe style which really attracts the attention of the posers on both Harleys and sport bikes. And I embrace a statement made by a custom builder featured years back on an episode of American Thunder (sorry, I forgot his name but he was somewhere in central California), “I build motorcycles, not easter eggs. Paint them black!” I did strip the expensive orange metallic paint off my custom and painted it flat black. Replaced the white showy pieces with black also. Now what you see when looking at the bike is not a lot of flash but rather the purity of the design and mechanics. The fabricator’s skills are actually more visible now that the flash has been removed. That is what I see when looking at Jesse’s creation. I hope to see more builds following this direction – pure simple function put together by a skilled fabricator. Put away the polish, it is time to ride.

I really hated to see Discovery trying to start a bar fight between the 3 guys….totally uncalled for…was glad to see an actual bike built for the show..hope we see more from the Jesse/Roland/Roake types. Its time for the art galleries to go away.

Bikers? Not sure what makes a”biker” but getting out with the wind in ur face feeling free is what I grow up on

“They are all talented people. But two of them are building motorized Christmas trees.” <- YES! Exactly!

Choppers? Functional? Are you joking? My 1982 Honda Ascot was the most functional bike I ever owned. Though shaft drive, the back end did not hop up and down in the curves when you gave it gas like a BMW. Perfect balance. Total reliability. Very boring. Functional? HD, with a push rod engine with a separate oil tank, etc. etc.? Fat rear tire? Extended front end? What a hoot. These bikes give first priority to being ART and should be judged as such. This means “trite,” “seen it before,” etc., are of first importance. And you all agree that both bikes lack originality. But where is there left to go in the professional bike building world (and still have a bike that can be ridden at all)? If you want comfort, you know where to go (HD, Honda, etc.- very expensive two wheeled cars). You want race-track performance on the street ride Ducatti (190 HP 370 lbs). You want just plain fun? Ride your Sportster!

The way I see it is pretty simple. Its a TV show geared to the target audience. Tired of people whining that JR won or that SR didn’t show up or Jesse talking smack. It was geared toward ratings. TBH, there wasn’t a single bike there that could really be rode. SR wasn’t a bike and I don’t think they got it over 25 mph for any of the shots of him ‘riding’ it. JR bike had maybe a gallon tank. Unfortunately, it looked to be the most comfortable to ride with a natural riding position. Jesse’s bike, although old school in design and well made, shouldn’t have been on the road. You couldn’t see straight ahead! The entire time he was riding it, his head was bobbing side to side to see around the monstrous front tree and bars. Let’s face it…they all made interesting ‘machines’ and yes…Jesse’s was the closest to old school choppers. But, in the end, it was a publicity stunt and who really though someone other than JR or SR was really going to win. SR didn’t need to as OCC is already doing decent. So….

What happened to the original Biker Build Off ? Build or Bust? I’m getting a little tired of the Tuetle family soap opera. This is no longer “reality” TV. but a highly produced drama! sponsored by corporate greed We all know Jesse James started TV bike building and many followed. How about we stick to the art of bike building .

Peace

I like PJD, but the bike was a joke, they have the capability of building some really nice riders that are realy bad ass, but that thing was silly looking art project. Paul Sr, well that was not worth commenting on. Jesse’s bike was not my style but I respect the skills he has. Had he not become a total scum bag of a human he would have won this contest hands down so I agree it was a popularity contest, but Jesse earned the hatred of the country. He needs to grow up and start acting like a man… and has to get back to it and keep building the bikes that made him famous…. H

All Three of them sold out. Jessie did it first. the money is nice. But the truth is, bikers build their own bikes! add your own style.

Bikes are to be riden. Jesse’s was the only one. PJD was a work of art. Paul Sr. was cool but NOT a bike. I think Paul Sr. could have won it if he stuck to what he believes, “Old School” he has built some nice bikes but you have to do what you believe. At least Jeese did that.

I agree that there was only 1 bike at that show. Even that one was cheesy…face it, JJ is a bunch of show as the the other 2…he makes most of his $$ from t-shirts for those who have never even owned a Hog. Would have much rather seen Paul Cox, Billy Lane or even Roland Sands (awesome rides, but he is a bit showy these days) build a rideable screamer. I knew Jr was going to win and JJ was going to place before the show started. It is all part of the drama build that they have chosen for the show…demonizing the old man; pandering to their young audience. Indian Larryis rolling over in his grave.

Jessie’s bike had one MAJOR flaw – he could not see over the bars and had to lean out to see where he was going. I do not want to ride long distance like that nor do I want to do city riding like that.

Couldn’t have said it better. I was sick of PJD and OCC the day they started that whole marketing gimmick crap on TV. Please bring back the (original) “American Thunder”!

tell you what,paul.i didn’t blast jesse about his women,i didn’t blast jr about his theme,and i didn’t blast sr. because he built a non-bike.i blasted discovery because they made people like you think that this is what bikes are about.these three are has beens.we are tired of the drama,we are sick of the whining.and we are fed up with the fluff.you and a lot of people say you want bikes that ride.well,DON’T LOOK AT A CUSTOM BIKE,THEN.they are not built for riding.they are built for the show.as has been for years.ever since the rat show in daytona.do you think any of those guys rode those customs to speed week? hell no.so,if that is what you are looking for,go somewhere else.as for these three,i have a message for discovery,you screwed up when you took off the biker build-offs off the air.these guys built AND RODE their bikes to the show.why don’t you drop all three of these per-madonnas and put some real talent out there?people who are sill hungry and could use the exposure.people who still build bikes and have fresh ideas.who DON’T WANT THEIR PERSONAL LIVES SPLATTERED ALL OVER THE TV ,BUT INSTEAD,WANT THEIR CREATIONS THERE.you say this is what the american biker is like? I CALL B.S. ON THAT ONE.you didn’t see the true american biker vote on that show.because the true american biker could care less what these clowns were doing.you saw the this generation of couch potato’s and teenie boppers voting.and,as was said on the show,it was a popularity contest,not a build-off.as has been the problem with this show since it got popular.”vote for me because i’m cool!”.they sounded like a bunch of middle school kids running for class president.so,if you think that this is the example of the modern biker,you are as out of touch as they are.and i think you,and j&p need to get in touch with reality.don’t hang around a booth at daytona or sturgis,find the places where real people hang around.those places are for commercialized fakes(what you have been dealing with )why don’t you go to some of the shops(not a freakin’ dealership)where real people are sweating their asses off building a custom on the side while they work on customers bikes,you know,THE PLACES WHERE J&P SELL THEIR STUFF.

none of these bike where riders one rule should be that they should beable to ride them 150 miles with out stopping and a total of 1000 miles to get to show bikes today are like fake boobs they may look good but still fake

All I can say is A-Men!!!!! Thanks for saying it.

YA KNOW, I’VE BEEN THERE SINCE LATE 60′S AND HAVE SEEN THE CHOPPER TAKE TO LIFE, AWESOME LOOKING PIECE OF ART. LIKE A LOW RIDER OR LEAD SLED. BUT ALWAYS KNEW THAT IT WAS NOT WHAT I WAS GOING TO RIDE CROSS COUNTY ON. POWER TO THOSE WHO DID. BUT IN A SHORT TIME THEY WERE GONE, JUST THE SAME WAY I KNEW IT WOULD COME AROUND FULL CIRCLE NOW. EVEN NOW, YOU SEE REAL 1 % CLUBBERS RIDING DRESSERS. AND DID NOT EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO VOTE? AND DID NOT THE ONE CHOSEN WIN? I THINK THE WORKMANSHIP OF THE FRONT END AND FRAME AND PAINT ON JESSE’S BIKE WAS GREAT, BUT, HE HAS A POSSE FOLLOWING HIM CROSS COUNTY ON HIS BIKES. USES SMALL GAS TANKS SO HE CAN STOP FREQUENTLY TO GIVE HIS BUTT AND BACK A REST ON THE RIGID FRAME AND NO CUSHION SEAT. DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT WHEN THERE IS A DOWNPOUR AND I RIDE PAST THESE BIKERS SITTING UNDER AWNINGS OR PASS ONE ON THE HIGHWAY DOING 80, I AM GRATEFUL FOR FULL FENDERS AND WINDSHIELDS. AS FOR THE TOYZ THE OTHER 2 BROUGHT, THEY LOOKED GREAT, AND I DON’T REMEMBER ANYTHING SAID ABOUT CRUISING CROSS COUNTRY WITH THEM CEPT FROM JESSE. TO EACH THERE OWN. WE NEED TO WAKE UP TO SEE WHO WE ARE, NOT WHO WE WISH WE WERE. WE GOT A BAD HABIT OF IDOLIZING THOSE THINGS THAT ARE SHORT LIVED, AND TAKE FOR GRANTED THE REMNANT THAT HAS US STILL RIDING TODAY WITH SOME OF THE BEST PRODUCTION BIKE BUILT EVER. BUT LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE SAID, OPINIONS ARE LIKE BUTT-HOLES, EVERYONE HAS ONE.

Lets start by saying all three were wind in your face fun. One was a kick ass, back yard, grass eater. Another was Loud and inspired by a P51 Mustang and Lastly the other was a simple Chopper. I don’t care if the bike was all hand built or not, Cause someone somewhere had to weld the frames and down tubes. Jesse James had FIVE years to design his next dream bike Chopper. Jesse had years worth IDEAS he could have used and the best he came up with is a simple Chopper anyone could see anywhere around town. Jesse James’ bike IS nice but his EGO got in his way. The SMALL in his face gas tank which blocked his view was an OPPS at least. Jesse should have used a tape measure to check the ride height. PJD had a Great bike with one of the most inventive items EVER! A FRONT END FORK that turns more then 180 degrees,(parking a “nice bike” at a rally can be a bitch at times). I understand it is not used on the road but it is a start to better riding since designers are starting to follow the lead of Backyard tuners. Paul Jr.’s Bike will stand out at any Bike Rally any where any time every time. Jesse James’ Chopper will be hard to find at Daytona yet Austin Texas

I always loved JJ bikes but I have to say that this bike is not that practical and he says he built this to ride 100 mph down the road. His knees are in his chest and he has to look under the bars and to the side of the tank to see forward. He claims he did it all on his own and if you watched the show he didn’t. Paul Sr went out of the box and created something cool looking but not practical at all and not even sure what you would call it. Paul Jr didn’t build anything practical as well but that wasn’t what this was. It wasn’t a practical bike build off. Junior builds some amazing theme bikes and some you can ride every day. The time he puts into his builds and his creative arts is amazing. JJ has built some great stuff as well. If I wanted a bike I would have JJ build it that is if I could afford it. I was disappointed with the major put downs from JJ but that is who he is. All three bikes were not pratical. ya so what if one had a 5 gallon tank and one only had 1 gallon. That wasn’st what this was. I looked at the the bikes not by which one I could ride all day because none of them would win but buy which won had the detail and creative art. I ride an ironhead that I built not from scratch but from american parts that I bought and not made. Does that make my bike a phoney. There was a reason they did a bike off with JJ and yes it was for ratings. If everyone knew PJD would win then why watch. JJ can build amazing stuff and I wish he did it then. he built a rivited gas tank and a copper bike at it was cool. That is what most people wanted to see. Theteutels must be doing somthing right or they would not be selling any bikes. Has anyone went to any car shows lately and seen what people are doing to cars. it is all about customizing now not praticalizing.

I stopped watching American Chopper when it became a soap opera. Someone please tell me that PJD did not make a Santa Bike….. I have yet to see any bikes come out of PJD or OCC that are RIDEABLE. What a waste of good metal.

They are all talented people. But two of them are building motorized Christmas trees.

If any of you guys get an opportunity to watch Jesse James Blacksmith it will change your whole perspective about this stupid build off. It is a 2 hour show that I saw on the History Channel. It follows JJ to Isreal where he learns blacksmithing from a world renowed artist. Then back at his shop he builds a stainless springer front end for an incredible bike he is building out of a 1930′s midget car engine. He talks about his experience with stardom and the celebrity red carpet and how it just did not fit his biker lifestyle. At the end of the show he is riding a Frisco style bike that had a theme… a tribute to his dog Cisco. That’s inspiration.

You left out the part where Jesse had an entire bike shop come in and help him finish his bike. I do appreciate his craftsmanship, but no where near as much as he does ! I ride an old bobbed rat bike, so I love old school, but Jr. showed way more innovation and imagination. Jesse needs a great big slice of humble pie.

I’ve heard a lot of comments cutting down Jr’s bike and stating that it is not a practical bike to be ridden. The only thing that wasn’t practical was the fuel capacity and it has enough for the average biker to go from one bar to the next like the majority of people do today.
This is a TV show build-off and there was never any qualifications stated that it had to be ridden any specific length. Its not like the build-offs where the rules state they have to ride them to the unveiling.
Jesse build a beautiful bike but it wasn’t anything that much out of the ordinary. He may have had a little better chance if he had kept his mouth shut and not make an ass of himself.
Jr comes up with some really innovative designs and really thinks out of the box. He is a design genius. He is the first to admit that his true talent is design.
Jesse is a true craftsman and it shows in his bike.
Sr. on the other hand couldn’t design or build a roller skate if he didn’t have his design engineer drawing everything out on cad and his machinist on staff and Rick to do all of the fabrication.
The only thing Sr has is his nasty attitude and foul mouth and his goal to destroy his sons life.
Jesse and Jr are both very talented. Jesse is also an ass and Sr is an ASS and nothing more!!!!

If the bike is going to do nothing but sit in the garage, who cares if it has a half pint gas tank or looks like a pterodactyl? Who cares if the seat is one giant spike and has no handlebars? The people who buy that crap do it for two reasons. One, they dream of not being a wimp and want people to think they are the badass biker and two, they want to show off how rich they are by buying a six-figure hunk of nonfunctional garage art.

Jesse James is the man!! I voted for his bike and thought he should have won.. it was clearly not about the bikes it was a popularity contest and it sickened me to see pjd and cocky ass vinny up there acting like he was the sh*t!! Paul junior has some good theme bike ideas yes but when it come down to building a bike you can hop on and go from Texas to Cali and back to Texas he is lost!! Jesse James is a master craftsmen and a pureist… We need more like him….

Amen.

Patrick, It’s about time someone said it. Thanks for showing there at least one person in the industry that can recognize Jessie’s talent!

So I guess what they say about Opinions’ being like A Holes is true, there are a lot of both on here.
The fact is this; most of us wish we had the talent or the resources to do what these guys are doing for a living.
I myself agree with Jesse I think these bikes should be ride able. One of the responses said “they should have to ride their bike to the contest” they may be, but that was not in the rule book of this contest. Another response was Jr. can’t think for himself he can only build theme bikes, LOL really that bike looked nothing like a plain to me, yet it had the tuff look that defended this country. The riveted tank was sweet looking, the futuristic look of the rear swing arm with the exposed wheel great. He uses things in life to get Ideas. Myself as a true “biker” would not buy this bike to ride. But dam sure I would love to ride it.
Jesse’s Bike I have to say was cool in its own way as well. I wanted to ride this bike as well. The look of this bike reminded me of the 70s chopper. I know well because I have a 67 Shovelhead chopper this is a very ride able bike. But mine is nowhere as custom as this. The man built his own forks, his own frame WOW how cool is that? I can bolt pieces on a frame and build a bike I am a fabricator so making the mounts no prob., but I am not sure about building a set of forks Jesse is the real deal.
As far as the comment you could see it in front of EVERY bar in the 70s? You obviously ride a RICE BURNER and don’t know, by the time a Harley is 10 years old the owner has made it his own and you may see one that looks close but not the same you fall under the better to remain silent and be thought of as an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. I am not picking on rice burners I like all different kinds of bikes. I just don’t much care for the dip-$#!t’s that send 100% of the money overseas and then try to tell me what a dumb ass I am for riding a Harley, my chopper or my dresser . To make my point unarguable and hopefully keep you from responding if you’re not a want-a-be Harley rider why are you watching Jesse & Jr. build choppers? I have seen them put Briggs & Stratton engines in their builds but never a Honda. Go watch Biker Boyz and SHUT IT!
MY OPENION: the two bikes were in two different classes the sponsors should have gave them better guidelines for the build. I bet Jesse would not have wanted to compete with Jr. in his style and visa versa Paul Sr. is probity the more rounded of the two he is old school but learned what Jr. does over the years. So he would have been there no matter what. However I have no idea why he built that thing he did but again I wanna ride it. But on the other hand that’s not real good TV, and what would we have to Bi@# about.
All I know for sure is I would be honered for the chance to build bikes or ride with any of them.
Keep bugs in your teeth and your chrome off the pavement!

Hi All
I have been biking since 16 years old (now 64) & do it simply because I enjoy it so much…
Just looking at those two bikes shown above. Quite frankly I would not waste even $1 to buy or ride either… Jessie’s looks like a serious back operation waiting to happen & would never be able to be ridden further than around the block ( & then at great risk to the rider)… Paul Jr’s bike actually looks like it could be ridden (but with having to stop at every pump to fill it up) for some distance. However the back end looks like it crashed into a metal flower arangement that got stuck to it… Man Paulie its hidious in the rear to say the least… It does your talent no justice at all… & bro I am one of your biggest fans….
As to Paul Snr getting involved he & that’s a joke all the way….
Keep riding safe with both wheels down….

Blessings

Hi All
I have been biking since 16 years old (now 64) & do it simply because I enjoy it so much…
Just looking at those two bikes shown above. Quite frankly I would not waste even $1 to buy or ride either… Jessie’s looks like a serious back operation waiting to happen & would never be able to be ridden further than around the block ( & then at great risk to the rider)… Paul Jr’s bike actually looks like it could be ridden (but with having to stop at every pump to fill it up) for some distance. However the back end looks like it crashed into a metal flower arangement that got stuck to it… Man Paulie its hidious in the rear to say the least… It does your talent no justice at all… & bro I am one of your biggest fans….
As to Paul Snr getting involved he & that’s a joke all the way….
Keep riding safe with both wheels down….

This entire article is bull$hit, a real “biker” who builds bikes for a “real biker”. Give me a break, if you can afford to buy a bike from OCC, PJD, or Jesse, then you ain’t a real biker anyway! We RIDE, we don’t trailer our bikes to bike shows, we have the wind in our face while others are walking around in an air conditioned auditorium drooling over “paint & chrome two wheeled sculptures”.

First of all they need some rules to that build off such as all three had to meet up and ride x number of miles just like in the show bike build off then let the people vote on them Jesse had the only bike on the stage the show should be done again with just that one rule

I have been riding for 20 some years now and im sick of all the crap bikes i see. if your going to build a bike .then build it to ride. PJD may have built a nice bike. But would only use it as a coffee table. The other was a snow mobile..Both were good in there own rights. But i thought it was a BIKE build off..the only bike i saw belonged to the true winner..Jessie

GREAT JOB PATRICK! Man, I could not have said it better. Looking at the comments, It’s easy to tell who the real bikers are and who are the posers.

It was another Discover channel lets make some money. JR’s was a great theme bike but not a true builder bike, when Discover has you voting on the winner before you see the bikes, what do you think, Jesse is a true builder hands down, Sr, what the hell was he thinking.

Ok explain to me all you mans men of biking out there what a biker is cause I thought a biker is a motorcycle enthusist? Rider builder owner? So where does it say you have to be a druggy alcoholic party animal treat everyone like shit act like a Billy bad ass treat women like hoes talk shit about everything and everyone not exactly the same as you, is more of a better biker or builder than someone who isn’t a wanna be gangster tuff guy? If you don’t like PJD or OCC then don’t watch or buy the bikes! Personally I like BIG BEAR CHOPPERS and Levine designs better than either of westcoat or OCC pjd! Jesse James is an Indian Larry clone their bikes look the same!

Ok look what is a real biker? I bought my first bike this year in april, I.paid $1000 for it, an 82yamaha maxim 650. All stock, I bought it because the look was,new to me you dont see many of them anymore, it was comfortable to ride and it was lightlt ridden(only14000miles) I rode every day from april until 2 weeks ago in rain snow hail and everything in between, I have almosot 35,000 miles on it now I went and learned this bike from wheel.bering to jets in that little bit of time I did all the work in upkeep myself with a few hints from friends who had this bike in the past. In my fkrst year I have done more riding than mosteople on this site, so I put some force in my opinon. I really think jrs people made a great bike, jj had a nice one and I realize the difficulty in what he did, however it still showed nothing NEW, ive never seen anything like jrs, practicle? Not entirely but more so than jjs ive ridden his style of bike and been on multiple large runs, where I have seen amazing machines, but thry were practicle, the only time I saw “choppers” in jjs term where rolling off of trailers and being walkef tothe turn table.yes youcan see over them though notwellbut most only have a2.5gallon tank anyways… So that argument about jr havingto stop every 20miles, jj woulde only made it an extra 20 before he needed to stopto!!my factory bike cn go 100miles on about 3gallons, myuncles harley? 105miles on about 5gallons!!! But mypap cantake his 2010yamaha roadstar almost 400 miles fully loaded inculding passenger on 6gallons

Jesse James is a true builder in every sense of the word. He takes metal and forms it into a bike, gas tank, front end, frame, oil tanks, with his own hands.
Paul Jr is a dreamer and then has his team build it. He builds art, not a bike you’d put years of true riding on. A lot of riders ( I won’t call them bikers) wants prize for the garage, that they pull out for a sunday or saturday ride.
Jesse is a true builder. These build off, should require that they ride the bike at least 800 miles to the show off.

Jesse James is a true builder, he takes metal and forms it into parts. Gas tanks, front ends, frames. Paul Jr makes art not bikes. He also doesn’t do anything but dream it up. then he has someone else do the real work.
Jesse James all the way. I understand that a lot of riders, ( i won’t call them bikers) think 5000 miles a year is a lot of miles on their bikes, LOL., yeah right. If you want art to stare at in your garage go Paul jr, You want a bike to ride, go Jesse.

Jesse’s bike was very interesting!

It comes down to show biz folks! That is all. Ratings! I enjoy watching these guys build their creations from scratch and wondering what they will look like when complete but I have no intention of ever owning one.
There are some that I could see myself riding but most are for looks and for standing in a showroom somewhere for people to gaze at. The price of these bikes are another turn-off to me because I can’t afford one. Bikes and Bikers are not necessarily represented by the amount of money spent. I ride a Suzuki and am just as happy with it as I would be an Jessie’s Creation in this build off. I did like his final product and it, for me represented Bikers as Juniors, to me did not. I think Jessie should have won personally but I won’t lose any sleep over it. It doesn’t matter what you ride, as long as you ride.

It comes down to show biz folks! That is all. Ratings! I enjoy watching these guys build their creations from scratch and wondering what they will look like when complete but I have no intention of ever owning one.
There are some that I could see myself riding but most are for looks and for standing in a showroom somewhere for people to gaze at. The price of these bikes are another turn-off to me because I can’t afford one. Bikes and Bikers are not necessarily represented by the amount of money spent. I ride a Suzuki and am just as happy with it as I would be an Jessie’s Creation in this build off. I did like his final product and it, for me represented Bikers as Juniors, to me did not. I think Jessie should have won personally but I won’t lose any sleep over it. I doesn’t matter what you ride, as long as you ride.

the mere fact that this much discussion and attention has been drawn from that show is pure marketing genius. There is the side of riding that is twisting the throttle with your buddies and catching the thrill…. and then there is everyone who wants to make millions off that dream. Every sport, hobby and profession will have the select 2% that take it over the top for the sole means of profit.

Alright, just one more post. I didn’t know there were so many Jr haters here. I love it, I just love it. Its like a reality check, a piece of mind, a place to go where i don’t have to defend common sense. I’m gonna say something that isn’t exactly normal for the big bad assed biker community sporting loud obnoxious bikes with bad assed engines. because I love bikes too. But I just need to bring up Sr. He’s a great business man and he keeps a hundred families fed and employed. Even though jrs fans don’t respect that. go figure. Anyway. He’s built two electric vehicles. They might not be everyones taste and they might be lacking the piston pumping heart. I don’t even think he knows this but really, he is onto something here. if between him and one of these electric motor companies can put out bikes with that much power, just wow is all i need to say. He built that drag bike that broke three world records after the show aired. now he built that crazy backwards trike thing and had to detune it down to what? 20 or 40% power and change the programming to “soft start” so it wouldn’t rip up the pavement. Thats quite an accomplishment. I just want to say that I think he should corner the market while he can. He already has his foot in the door and doesn’t even know it. Imagine how many yuppies and prius owners would want something like that. Or a biker that never leaves the city. I guess I shouldn’t say a real biker but you know what i mean, and I can’t believe i used the word yuppie or prius in a biker blog. I apologize. seriously. But in reality the future contains electric vehicles and Sr just built two of them. Sorry guys I feel i should have maybe praised him in an electric vehicle blog. But nobody knows him over there. LOL Im sure he is the anti christ to them. Ya Ya, I know. There would be no sound or heart or soul. I know this. But thats reality. So don’g go beating me up for writing this here, at least not too badly.

Dear Patrick Garvin
I just wrote the post above this one without reading your story way up there. I figured it was another I love jr story. I am so f ing happy you wrote that. I swear I am the only one that has the balls to call jr out, as you can see if you read my above post. I just want to thank you for that. Now I don’t feel like I am the only one with any common sense. There are more.
Thanks
Jeff

Heres the scoop. The entire problem is jr. he has a large internet fan base. So obviously everything he builds and has internet judging he is going to win. In the real world. He would have his ass handed to him on a platter. Bring that disgusting oversized PeeWee Herman Mobile aka: The Silver Rivet, Hey Liberace called and wants his jacket back. poor excuse of a bike. jr would never stand a chance at a real competition where it wasn’t influenced by his own peers. I though this competition was going to have real judges judging the craftsmanship and quality of the bike build. I was wrong. It was just another jr catered internet voting competition put on by Discovery Channel. Basically he was going to win from the beginning. So it didn’t matter what he built. Creativity you say. Uh, jr copied an airplane. how is that creative. Its not. But everyone wants to hail jr. you are my god, we will keep you on top even if its fake, as long as there aren’t any real judges in the real world judging up close and personal. Its a total scam. jr know its gonna come down on him one day. So he is soaking it up like a crack whore. JJ and SR both created a bike from nothing. Jr got out his etch a sketch and copied something that already existed. In the real world jr is the loser. Thats why he hides on the internet and wouldn’t allow Discovery to have a real judging. I can’t believe Discovery would bow down to that asshole. But they do. They did and they will as long as jr is their cash cow. Very disappointing.

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Plain and simple. Paul jr made a MODEL of a bike. Fake gas tank, fake stainless steel look frame, decorative rivets, etc.. You can’t ride it, you can only look at it. That’s not a bike, period! Sr did not even try. He copped out and made something he knew was not a bike so when he lost he had that excuse. I think he should’ve tried and make one of his throw back backs, I would have given him credit for at least trying. Jessie built the only bike on stage.

JJ’s bike was uncomfortable and you couldn’t ride that bike for more then ten miles without having to pull over to rest your arms and neck..The gas tank was like ones on many other bikes he’s made…Nothing special and to damn short for the frame..

The paint job wasn’t all that great ,because the fade was poorly done… You had to put your head around the corner just to ride it just to see what’s in front of you..

.Get real the bike could have been purchased at any good bike shop.

PJD’s bike was out of the box and not one you see everyday… Sure the tank was small, but hey these are mainly show bikes for these types of events..

JJ knew it was a build off and build off’s are to show your best work..He failed to provide it and he knew it..

The bike jj built was common just like any other bike out there…. Nothing special…

PJD put alot of work in that bike..Jesse says that PJD guys can’t turn his machines on..Well that can work both ways.. He can’t turn theirs on either… He’s all talk with very little to back it up if you take that bike into account as being his best like the build off was suppose to represent..Cry me a river there JJ –just admited it you got schooled by PJD this time..

JJ FANS – he lost get over it…. Better luck next time if there is one… Maybe he’ll build a better bike then..

build offs belong in two distinct catagories: Behind glass or function. One bike was made for each class…Sr’s was an atv. Just say “NO” to theme bikes and the media hype B.S.

JJ came off like an arrogant p**ck. Maybe he can build better bikes, but maybe he should get his ego in check ’cause he ain’t all that.

I have never had any respect for the “bike”(loosely used term) decorators at occ. And JJ lost my respect when I saw his name on Chinese made tools at Sams club.
Anyone that would buy a bike from ANY of these idiots is a poser that has more money than brains.

jessie builds good bikes when he aint blowin stuff up or being bothered by useless souls … i really would love to build a bike with him or just let me go with my own ideas aand see what happens a new show no experience biker buildoff .. . think it over ….lol…

Jessie James is a jack off, every bike looks the same, cookie cutter…

jesse created a nice bike….that he wouldnt have finished without help…..he had help….as did jr..and sr….as for themes…..every bike jr builds is flashy in some way…..sr..doesnt build he supervises……then stands on stage and takes credit….for ?….a snowmobile?…Jesse’s bike was a rider…albeit a look around the tank frisco style chopper…kudos to jr for the win for his teams craftsmanship ..kudos to jesse for “building his chopper….and as for OCC come guys ..it was A BIKE BUILD OFF…..

I liked both Jesse and Jr’s. bike but you seem to not have a clue what this show was all about.
How can you write about this and not understand it was just a show. You like Jesse cause he comes off as a “Badass Biker” when he really seems to be just a dumb ass. Get real man, if you want to print stuff about real builders there are plenty of them out there,
not these guys…they are just for show and you should see it that way. Get out to the closet…………..

In reality it is all about name and location. If you don’t have a famous name or aren’t from California or New York. You don’t stand a chance in hell of having a show or getting on TV. It has been proven, there were plenty of builders in the older shows from all over the country. All equally as good and some wayyyy better. Just from the wrong state with the wrong name. And yes I know Jesse is in Texas now, hence the name game.

I think you really hit it out of the box with your comments
Absolutely no Soul in JR’s or the fathers bikes !
Thanks for the truth !

Bike Build Off: Do the fallaway on JR’s bike…. oh wait YOU CANT. As for SR’s, oh IT”S NOT EVEN A BIKE. Jesse wins by default…

I have tried so hard to just keep my mouth shut and not acknoledge this travesty of current American culture. Has this country become so pussified that a known cocky a**hole prick can’t be one anymore. I mean really is his attitude so offensive to everyone that he thinks hes the best and wants you to think so too. He’s on tv promoting himself to the people that like a guy like him. And if more of you d*ck jackers would get off your ass’s and see what these builders do to get these bikes on the road you’d keep your mouths shut. I’m not a bike builder or designer don’t claim tk be although I have build a couple bikes for myself over the years an untill you experience it you don’t have room to talk about it I however am a fabricator and if you don’t enjoy watching Jesse James work and build things and see his technique then again your never gonna get what these guys are saying. It isn’t about old school new school or any other kinda school. It’s about knowing what a bike is and what one isn’t. If Jr is pushing the envelope I don’t wanna see what happens when it gets packed full of all his bullshit and the mostosiry that come out…well never mind I think we just say it live on the discovery channel. Welcome to the introduction of the Donk bikes. Every f**kstain with a welder and a big checkbook will be trying to figure out how to make 2 front wheels work on there f**kin night trains. If Jesse just wanted to win all he would have had to have done was go write a check to the local lasvegas Harley shop ride out with a new bagger oh And to assure the win he should have stopped by pep boys and get a pack of bullet hole stickers and hes do. Didn’t even have to fire up the forge or the laithe (thats just some of the equipment Jesse used in case you didn’t know). But oh I forget this is a popularity contest cause people have been voting for weeks before the bikes were even shown. So how does that work exactly. Oh well at least the nice guy one right not the cheater womanizer I mean the only people I feel sorry for in all this is the maintenance people at the hardrock cause I’d say that had to cut the roof off that place to air life pud Jrs swollen head and a net under him to catch bunny when he can’t hold his head up pud Jrs ass anymore. Oh and less I forget what they had to do to get mickeys rendering of his brothers enlarged head out of there. Poor guys. Come on guys. Was it jesses best bike maybe not bit if the direction of future custom bikes resemble pud Jrs I’m gonna never ride a bike again because that thing was hidious. Everyone was like theme bike this and that. Want me to tell you my opinion on it? No.. Well my opinion is he has no original thoughts if his own other than make it look outlandish. It has to have a theme to take ideas from to make his original bikes and raise the bar. This show was a joke and it did what it was intended to do get us all talking about it. So here we are. I’m just a regular guy who works with my hands everyday. So I can appreciate jesses skills and attitude and who wouldn’t want to f**k a movie star and hot ass b**ches and get pissy ass PC p**sies of the world to hate your guts. Bikers are anyone who rides a bike on a regular basis to me no matter what it is. I got a buddy with a gold wing that probably logs more miles in a year than I do in 10 cause I gotta work for a living. Doesn’t make him or me any less biker just I have a cooler bike that I built. So if the rivet bedazzler bike is your cup of tea I’m sorry for you parents but I can’t wait for This tk go away so we can get back tk watching gold rush. Maybe all the douchebags will all move tk Alaska and get eatin by the bears….ah I can dream. Thanks for your time now go do something….

Senior and JJ never stood a chance. Discovery Channels young audience needed a young winner. Senior could have built a bike that would have made Indian Larry proud, and he still had last place locked up. Junior could have pushed a Schwinn bicycle out there with a “C” cell battery taped to it and still be declared the winner. You know what I want? A rematch. This time, you have to ride what you’ve built to Sturgis during the rally. No trailor queens. You gotta ride the whole way. If it breaks down on the side of the road, then fix it on the side of the rode. Like real bikers do. Then let the real bikers vote for the winner right there at the rally. No internet B.S. and not some 17 year old, zit faced kid on a crotch rocket. I’ve been riding for close to 45 years. Not all those years have been on a Harley, but I still love the journey and where it may take me. Seeing someone like Jesse become a verbal punching bag because of his personal life is wrong. He’s got an attitude. So what? He builds killer bikes that can be ridden. Senior needs to retire from the public eye. He’s his own worse enemy.
Sorry for my rant, but I’m still pissed about all this biker build-off nonsense. It was about as real as pro wrestling, but not as funny

People keep saying that they should have followed the old rules and had to ride the bike then jessy James would have won.the fact is if they did jessy James wold e been disqualified because he couldn’t get it running in time and 2nd it looked uncomfortable and he’s a poser.he keep saying h don’t care what people say but it’s a lie.he claims he built it all by himself and made every thing on it and it is all lies.

The way i see it is, Jr. won, i didnt like Sr. contraption at all, and i don’t care for the foul mouth Jesse displayed, so it is what it is!!

POSERS

Great Post!
But the truth is 80% of Americans have forgotten who we are so why should this be any different.
Even Jesse is a sell out and is there for the money!
Once i saw his action figure in Walmart it was all over.
He is not there for his ego I can see this, but it’s all to clear that he is there for the easy money.
If you could get paid what Jr get’s payed to play in his shop you would do the same as would any of us.
They are all addicted to the money and look at me.

It was a sad day when people voted a back yard conversation piece as a winning motorcyle and built by the best builder. Those couch riders wouldn’t know a well built bike if it ran over them. Jesse got rob plan and simple. For PJD to think they bend sheet metal the same as Jesse then they must be on crack. I agree with Jesse I don’t think they’d know how to turn on his machines let alone do what he does.

can’t stand little paulie Jr. and his idea of sum p**sy ass show bike , Never liked his I’m entitled to this attiute , he would not be were he is today UNLESS Paul Sr. had the balls to start the company ,and the brains to build it into what it has become little Jr. would still be making hand rails for Daddy
Have seen OCC bikes at Laconia very shiny even have some die cast OCC bikes, Like my Glide don’t care for choppers any more unless there old school like Jessie James builds no BS back stabbing with Jessie tells you how it is you don’t like it them f$%k you
I don’t have hundreds of thousands of $$$$ to build a bike , I always loved indian Larry type bikes hard tail tricked out engine and stright bars very basic and they run and are ridden not put in some trailer and towed to a event sort of like …. OCC and little J.r does

Well said Patrick!

All three of the bikes were cool, Sr.s was “Star Warsish” Jr.s looks like something in Stallone’s garage that he shows off to his Hollywood pals and Jesse’s was a bit more old school, but looks awkward and uncomfortable. All three are good builders, but as far as Jesse James, I’ll say this. Robbie Kneivel will outride his a$$ and make him urninate his Levis with some of the more casual stunts he does. Robbie is a true biker.

@Jim Lovegrove did you even watch the show? Jesse didn’t do it alone or were all those people around him imaginary? He wanted to do it alone but couldn’t.

Jesse’s bike was nice, nothing we haven’t seen before. He said it could be ridden 100 mph to Sturgis and back, I doubt it not without some serious neck cramps looking off to the side to ride it. Ya a lot of work went into that bike and out of all of them its the most rideable.

Jr’s bike was a good bike as well, can he ride it NO not very far. Even if you don’t like the man you have to respect the work that went into that bike. I doubt anyone on here could do half as good of job with twice the people.

Sr. well he’s just plain lost it….

With that said I’m not gonna swing on Jesse’s nutsack or PJD’s they were both excellent bikes for how they were built but two totally different styles that shouldn’t have been compared.

PJD’S was not even a motorcycle…. It was a contraption of some kind but not a bike. If you noticed he really didn’t build anything, his crew built it, so why does he even get ANY of the credit? If he can do the Vegas run with it then I might reconsider…Jessi should have won this hands down!!!!

i had to stop reading at Jim’s comment that Jesse did it alone! He did not do it alone, but you would have no way of knowing that unless you were there. Cole Foster of Salinas boys Customs and Jeff Decker of Hippodrome studios flew in to help him and somehow all the camera time was cut? I love how Jesse said “Everything on this bike i built with my hands!”
It is Ridiculous!

this makes me want to get out in the garge and work

@Jim Lovegrove did you even watch the show? Jesse didn’t build the bike all by hisself he had a crew, heck in the begining he had a helper so that alone took away from the one man show.

Jesse’s bike was nice, doubt you could ride it without getting a neck cramp. Heck he couldn’t even see over the tripple tree’s

Pauls bike while unrideable was still a great piece of workmanship wether you like the guy or not.

Sr’s well what can ya say the old man has lost it….

There is no light at the end of the tunnel for warm weather up here Steve. Looking forward to a bit of warm weather for bike week. If I do any riding up here it will be with a parka.

“You can buy a kit from Demon Choppers that would have been just as good.”

Therein lies the problem. Aside from the fact that this was a popularity contest, the majority of the people who voted can’t tell the difference between Jesse’s bike and a Demon Choppers kit bike.

You hit the nail on the head. I am not a Biker but a rider. I pissed a lot of people off. My comments on Sr. page said it all. The entitlement generation voted for JR. These people know nothing about getting out on a weekend and knocking down a 1000 miles, going to a swap meet for parts, or wrenching on your own shit. They want to be tough and do it with money. I have a t-shirt that says $30,000 and 30 miles don’t make you a biker. If they had to build a bike to ride, Jesse and Sr would have kicked ass. Keep the wind in you face.

Gimme a break, even though most of our bikes are to ride, thats not what this was about. It was style, effort and hard work and Jessie isn’t all that and has fell off since he is a has been, no keeping wife, talking trash goof who needs publicity to try and get back in the game…

Patrick, I couldn’t agree more! Especially the part about just wanting to get out and ride…. how long till the snow melts in Anamosa?

BikeRider, in all the previous Build Off’s that have been on Discovery, everyone was required to ride their bike from where they built it, to the location. If it broke down and could not be repaired and finish the trip, it was a DQ. I wonder why that wasn’t the case this time? By the way, if someone want practical, go buy a car. I also want to know what his attitude or rep have to do with his building and fabrication skills? I want someone to answer the post I made, or even make a post on here that gives why Jesse actually lost that doesn’t mention his attitude, or private life, or supposed bad rep. I want to see someone actually knock his fab skills and ability as a builder, because when I watched that show, I didn’t see Sr. do a single thing, and Jr. put some handlebars on. Neither one of those clowns are builders.

Go back nearly 10 years to the first West Coast Choppers tv show “Motorcycle Mania”. Jesse was a bad ass and built beautiful choppers. I hope the link works because this was my favorite bike of all time.
I don’t have a problem with theme bikes when they are being built for a client that intends on just dragging it around to trade shows. But I really expected more from JJ and Paul Sr on this build off. I like PJD but you could have just left him out of this competition.

I thought it made for good TV. I have seen a LOT of bikes in shows that could not be ridden more then 50 miles before you would be in pain. These days I enjoy seeing different types and styles of bikes and that is what these guys did. I thought JJ & PJD bikes were well made. Neither were very practical. I ride about 20k a year and as I get older I want more comfort then looks for my riding but if I am going to a bike show I want to see something different. I am sure that PJD can make any type of bike that he is asked to make. I think JJ can make whatever he wants but he has the wrong attitude and a bad rep with the public. This is TV for the masses, not for old school bikers.

I see a few comments saying Jesse’s bike isn’t really a rider because he had to lean to see around the tank or bars. I will put and end to that, because that is false. What you saw was a camera angle creating the deception. When you saw the one time Jesse appeared to poke his head to the side of the tank, it was because he was going around a wide radius turn, in which you lean the bike, not your entire body, but I guess only people that actually rid would know that. Even if the bars appear to block vision, they don’t. You can see perfectly between the risers and on each side of them, since they really aren’t that big. Second, to address the people that keep saying Jesse bring in a team at the end, you’re right, he did, but only to help with finish welding and assembly, and he had Bacon build and tune the motor. On guy doing the fabrication, from scratch mind you, one person building the motor, and the team to help come in and do finish welding and final assembly. Oh, yeah, he had a painter and upholsterer and a parts polisher, but he hand formed and built everything himself, including the stainless steel springer and frame.
What did Paul Jr. do in his shop? He didn’t build the frame, he actually didn’t build anything on the bike from what I saw. Only time I saw him touch the bike was to put a set of handle bars on. 90% of the parts on his bike were ordered from an outsourced company, so in all actuality, all his shop did,wire and assemble the bike, oh, and build a 1 gallon tank, a set of handlebars, and rivet some aluminum and brass on to a tank and fenders and fork. So, what did Jr. build? NOTHING. He assembled and ordered parts.

Sr. didn’t even take this build seriously and just had fun. he didn’t lift a finger the whole time except to ride the machine they built (I can’t call it a bike, because it isn’t a bike). As far as his shop goes, they didn’t build anything. Jason came up with the design, they had some from another company build the frame, they ordered all the parts, had a guy come wire it up from another company, then his team assembled it and hooked up the batteries. What did they build? Nothing. They assembled a machine and connected some batteries. But at least they had fun because they knew they were going to lose.

All in all, it proves that this “Build Off” was nothing more than a popularity contest, because Jesse is the only one who actually built his bike, yes, with a little help from the crew at Austin Speed Shop. He even gave them credit where it was due, but Jesse did all the fabrication himself. Not with a CNC machine or computer, but with good old fashion black smithing, hand forming, and real fabrication skill. By the way, a majority of the comments on American Chopper’s website and Facebook page is flooded with comments by couch jockeys hating on Jesse because of choices he made in his personal life, and a majority have never owned or ridden a bike. Who the hell cares what he did in his personal life, it didn’t effect anyone but him and who he was with at the time. Anyways, Jesse true skills, the Teutal’s, they’re a one trick gimmick pony. Luckily, Discovery has decided to give Jesse another show, but hopefully it’s about actual bike building, unlike American Chopper.

PJD and OCC are cake decorators, Jesse is a real deal bike builder.

Get The **** over it you fools! Just because they call it a “Biker Build off” does not mean any thing.
IT’s TV !!!! You dumb ******** !!!
It’s all about Ratings and marketing of Discovery and their
cast of Characters!! They need to promote JJ new Show and keep American Chopper in the Lime Light.

Thats all this is Folks!! JUST TV !!

I am a fan of Jesse,s bikes. I like his style however, he didnt bring it. His bike was cool but not that cool. And if any of you ever ride bikes Jesse saying he built it to ride it. BS that bike is a bar hopper only. If you looked at him ridding it his nees were in his chest, you cant see over the front of the bike and after about 20mil im sure you would have to pull over and stretch because your back is cramped up. OCC is a joke and there designer Jason what ever sucks. He dosnt know a thing about bikes. However PJD has stepped up the game since OCC.Other then over branding his products his bikes are nice. And the bike he built looked like it was comfortable to ride. Not to mention it was nice. it looks like the inner workings of a watch. That bike was to nice to ride. Oh ya and Jesse had to call in Austin speed shop to bail him out. Some of you people put on your leather vest and HD belt buckle and you think your a big bad biker. You people are ****!

Agree or Disagree with the builds or the winner, the biggest truth spoken here is our industry needs this shot in the arm. Thank you Discovery channel for bringing some buzz back to the biking community. American at Large Custom Motorcycles appreciates it!

All three were losers as far as being ridable motorcycles.

Hey Junior, I believe the saying is: Keep the wind in your face. Not the exhaust! Oh right, that bike is for the show circuit, not to be ridden. My bad!

I must admit I didn’t care for any of the bikes on the build-off. They should have made it the same rules as they did before. You build the bike and then ride it 700 miles to a destination and have the vote there.

Jesse’s bike was old school and I have seen so much of that is sucks. Jr bike well that is just way to much theme for me. Sr whatever really he needs to get a clue not even practical.

Maybe they can bring back the bike build-offs as they at least had bike that you could ride.

I dont know why you guy’s are talking so much about who the people are instead which bike was the most unique. JJ built a bike that had no imagination. I liked the bike but it wasn’t anything different than whats already been built. You can buy a kit from Demon Choppers that would have been just as good. Senior’s entry wasn’t even a MC, It was kinda cool looking but…..
Jr’s bike said it all. Who wouldnt want to go to a bike show and see this thing ?

Discoverys’ choice to have this episode is great! Sure wish I had seen it. Looks like a fun time. I’m not a motorcycle owner so I feel that my vote, or thoughts don’t count. Sure looks interesting

true bike building will happen in the cold garages, dirt floors, and even in the kitchens of some. facts are facts, NO ONE should charge what any of these kats sell their bike for. if you all want to see where the real bikes are go to thechopperunderground.com or chopcult.com
these are the guys who build their own frames, front ends, seats etc. when you wake up thinking of bikes, live eat breath grease and gear oil because you love it
that’s who should be winning these so called “BIKER” build offs!! JMO

Wow being associated with a company that makes their living off of selling aftermarket parts you sure are bashing people that do use them to create what they feel is a piece of art or custom motorcycle. Big deal Jesse James made the frame and frontend, why does that make him a better builder? He didnt make anything else. Austin Speed Shop did the rest so that is just a load of crap. The bottom line is why is getting paid to build bikes for a living? PJD and OCC both make a living doing this so obviously they are doing something right.

Im sorry I didnt know the rules when they started the build off was it had to be a practical bike? The only thing Jesse built was a death trap that I wouldnt ride that is for sure. I am sure that you must be someone that has some knowledge about bikes, I ask you this, have you ever been to Sturgis or Bike week at Daytona or any other large motorcycle rally that has bike shows? If you have then you know that the bikes that Jr builds are not much different then the bikes that win these contest. Jesse built a frame and a frontend so what. Why does that make him more of a bike builder than Jr or Sr? I am sorry but when people first started changing bikes they had to build the parts themselves because there were no companies that made aftermarket parts. Why dont you say people like Arlen Ness or Eddie Trotta are not bike builders? 98% of the people out there today that build bikes do it the same way. They keep their cost down to be able to give people the chance to own a great custom bike by rely on aftermarket parts to build it. Hands on building of a bike is not practice nor will it get a finished product to a customer in the time that they need it so before you start bashing Jr, Sr or any other bike builder that uses aftermarket parts to build their bikes just remember this, who gets paid to build bikes for a living? Obviously the majority of the people like what they build because if they did they would not be in business so they must be doing something right. Theme bikes may not be your cut of tea but many other people like them but I wish you would acknowledge they bikes that Jr and Sr have built that are not theme bikes. The ones that they actually ride. Those bikes are as practical as they come and comfortable to ride not some jacked up frontend that you cant even see over so as far as I am concerned your opinion does not represent the majority it represents the minority. Maybe you would ride Jesse’s death trap but I would bet that 90 out of 100 wouldnt and that is why his attitude and his shitty bikes are not being sold and OCC and PJD’s are.

Im sorry I didnt know the rules when they started the buildoff was it had to be a practical bike? The only thing Jesse built was a death trap that I wouldnt ride that is for sure. I am sure that you must be someone that has some knowledge about bikes, I ask you this, have you ever been to Sturgis or Bike week at Daytona or any other large motorcycle rally that has bike shows? If you have then you know that the bikes that Jr builds are not much different then the bikes that win these contest. Jesse built a frame and a frontend so what. Why does that make him more of a bike builder than Jr or Sr? I am sorry but when people first started changing bikes they had to build the parts themselves because there were no companies that made aftermarket parts. Why dont you say people like Arlen Ness or Eddie Trotta are not bike builders? 98% of the people out there today that build bikes do it the same way. They keep their cost down to be able to give people the chance to own a great custom bike by rely on aftermarket parts to build it. Hands on building of a bike is not practice nor will it get a finished product to a customer in the time that they need it so before you start bashing Jr, Sr or any other bike builder that uses aftermarket parts to build their bikes just remember this, who gets paid to build bikes for a living? Obviously the majority of the people like what they build because if they did they would not be in business so they must be doing something right. Theme bikes may not be your cut of tea but many other people like them but I wish you would acknowledge they bikes that Jr and Sr have built that are not theme bikes. The ones that they actually ride. Those bikes are as practical as they come and comfortable to ride not some jacked up frontend that you cant even see over so as far as I am concerned your opinion does not represent the majority it represents the minority. Maybe you would ride Jesse’s death trap but I would bet that 90 out of 100 wouldnt and that is why his attitude and his shitty bikes are not being sold and OCC and PJD’s are.

Im sorry I didnt know the rules when they started the buildoff was it had to be a practical bike? The only thing Jesse built was a death trap that I wouldnt ride that is for sure. I am sure that you must be someone that has some knowledge about bikes, I ask you this, have you ever been to Sturgis or Bike week at Daytona or any other large motorcycle rally that has bike shows? If you have then you know that the bikes that Jr builds are not much different then the bikes that win these contest. Jesse built a frame and a frontend so what. Why does that make him more of a bike builder than Jr or Sr? I am sorry but when people first started changing bikes they had to build the parts themselves because there were no companies that made aftermarket parts. Why dont you say people like Arlen Ness or Eddie Trotta are not bike builders? 98% of the people out there today that build bikes do it the same way. They keep their cost down to be able to give people the chance to own a great custom bike by rely on aftermarket parts to build it. Hands on building of a bike is not practice nor will it get a finished product to a customer in the time that they need it so before you start bashing Jr, Sr or any other bike builder that uses aftermarket parts to build their bikes just remember this, who gets paid to build bikes for a living? Obviously the majority of the people like what they build because if they did they would not be in business so they must be doing something right. Theme bikes may not be your cut of tea but many other people like them but I wish you would acknowledge they bikes that Jr and Sr have built that are not theme bikes. The ones that they actually ride. Those bikes are as practical as they come and comfortable to ride not some jacked up frontend that you cant even see over so as far as I am concerned your opinion does not represent the majority it represents the minority. Maybe you would ride Jesse’s death trap but I would bet that 90 out of 100 wouldnt and that is why his attitude and his shitty bikes are not being sold and OCC and PJD’s are

I have been riding for decades (started at 8) own 2 bikes. All three of these bikes are not real riding bikes. They’re show pieces. Subjective to the style you are into. All of these “bikes” are unique and everyone used teams to complete their builds. The fork was the best part of Jesse’s bike. Tank, frame, and tires were so uninspired that Jesse could have purchased something similar instead. OCC built a trike. PJD manufactured something unique. It’s not that people aren’t impressed with fabricating from scratch but we expect more. You want to win? Cookie cutter is not good enough. If Jesse wants to be judged by his work then work and stop bringing up your Ex (trash talking everyone).

yep! i just checked it online!! wtf! where are the real bikes! its retarded whut the occ fellas did! jesses could do better too! that bike needs just a little bit more rake and it would look 10 times better! but looks like most of the “bikers”still love crap like this!

Jr was the kid that built the model car but new glued the motor or trans in it.

JJ built a bike that he couldn’t even see over the handlebars when he rode it. He looked like a bafoon. Bad blood or not, Sr. handed the win to Jr. by building what he did. Jr. did what was asked of him, he built the best bike for a tv show where the tv watching public would vote for. I haven’t thought about JJ since he left Monster Garage and when I saw the comerical for the show I thought, where did they dig up that dude from. He talks to much crap and says he doesn’t care, but he’s lost his ass over bad decisions. If that’s being a real biker, then I’ll stay a pretender and stick to being a decent human being.

There is nothing new about Jesse’s back. A lot of middle of middle bikers like myself have grown weary of old school chopper. This was a chance for Jesse to build something radical. He didn’t. It’s a nice back, but it is boring. He used to build better bikes than this.

As far as Jr is concerned, maybe Discovery Channel should have said the bikes have to daily drivers. PJD has built a couple of daily driver bikes in the last year. PJD built everything except the motor, transmission, frame, and wheel. Out of those things, the only thing Jesse built for himself is the frame.

The old man has let OCC turn into Jason Puhl Computer Designs. The problem is that Jason’t doesn’t know bikes at all. The only thing he knows is computers.

What’s wrong with having a burning desire to build something different than anything, anyone, has ever seen before? Jr. just keeps on raising the bar as to what can be done with 2 wheeled transportation. Everyone who builds Motorcycles is building on a Theme, face it folks, some people like choppers with springers and it’s a massive challenge to build one from scratch that handles and is Fun to ride and other folks think that if your bike has two shocks on the back it’s just not good enough to park beside a rigid or softail but I have to respect a guy that is always testing the limits and taking risks to go where nobodys gone before. Sr. treated His Son like a Step-Child when they were together and we all got to see it and now Jesse took Srs. side in disrespecting Jr. and thats just wrong but I understand why both of them act that way, it’s because neither Jesse or Sr. have the ability or guts to design the one off creations that Jr. has BUILT His reputation on. You can’t keep a Good Man down and Jr. is Living Proof of that! I can’t wait to see what He Dreams up next but we all know exactly what Jesse is going to build because He is only comfortable on 1 kind of Bike and poor Sr. is stuck with an Empire that has No Vision or Heart.

It has become a wierd uncomfortable world out there for some of us who really love the road. I ride a motorcycle every day for a living, and when I’m not working I do at least one 6.000 +mile trip a year 99% of the time just me and the Ol Lady I have chosen Harly Davidson as my ride because I am a big man and it is the most comfortable bike for me. I really dislike being bundled in with 100000 other Jackoffs riding Harleys Chap wearing in 90 degree weather, poser leather clad 2000 miles on their 5 year old harley jerks, wanna be 1% a-holes with their stupid “biker” attitudes. How does one who really loves the road set himself apart from this rabble. The same goes for the bikes folks build. Look at the people out there riding. and you can start to understand the reasoning in the outcome of fans judging motorcycle build offs. I miss the days when most everybody worked on their own bikes, Now anybody with money can be a “REAL BIKER” FTW

I agree 100%. Why I still ride an ironhead Harley. Betting Paul Jr has never been on a three day run, a week on a ride, etc, He has always built art pieces with two (or more) wheels, not real bikes. Jesse is the real deal. I think Paul Sr. was, but has lost his way. Enough with the family drama/soap opera, and get back to building real bikes.

Jesse built a bike that can be seen in front of any bar in any town in America in 1970. Yea it was a great bike, but it was just an ordinary great bike that has been built a thousand times over by every builderAmerica. Paul JR lives outside the box with his creative skills, and a great number of us are fans of his skills. This was not a contest to see who could fit in with the local Hells Angels club as a hang around. Come man, look at the bikes. Did you see the manhours and skills put into just the tank On Paul JR’s bike. Set down and build a tank like that and maybe you will appreciate the skills this man has, or maybe you won’t because he doesn’t run his mouth and try to act like a 1% biker. Sounds like you are the one judging someone on the personality and not the bike to me.

To he honest people are stupid. For example a judge gives a lady a case because the coffee was too hot and got burnt and that flew and every since then crap like that happens now here is to stupid people u know the ones I’m getting ready to offend right now. There is more to all this them just a bike build. If you wanted Jesse James to win then go have the bikes put in front of a bunch of real bikers or bike builders because the fact is even though Jesse is one hell of a mechanic ,builder,fabricator the bike he built was a kick ass bike but if you take his bike to any bike show there are a lot of bikes that look just like it ,plain and simple now what about he’s bike. Nope ur not gonna find one bike that will even come close to it .if you wanna know who builds betterbikes who really gives a damn .the fact is Paul jr would not even come close to the tallent that Jessie has .but as a designer he’s bike looked better. The copper on stainless look. Is a classic mechanical look .Jessie built a chrome bike and slapped some. Red paint on it then said I’m the man .now can anyone tell me that all the viewers in the audience and across America were professional motorcycle builders cause they weren’t ..the people were normal everyday a-holes like myself who said that bike looked cooler then that one. And that is it . But there are to many dumbasses that are so quick to say harleys rule I need a chain wallet and my sleeves are to long on this t shirt I just paid 60.00 for because it has a Harley logo on it .come on people get your head our of your ass. The truth is I’d anyone that builds a bike gets me on the stage to talk shit and tell me my bike is a piece of shit .Jessie James is a D**k. He can’t keep a women cause he can’t keep his D**k in his pants. If I was Jr he would have gotten more then a few words he would have gotten an ass whuppen for running his smart ass mouth and as far as Paul Sr he is no father to come on tv and disown his kids then let some drug addict prick run his mouth on stage .and Wtf was that he built you can’t take it offroad u would get killed on the damn thing and what it throws flames Lmao I can do the same thing with a box lighter and a hair spray can .he can’t even complete a full sentence without having to go ( dur dur or a clueless pause with a dumbass look on his face.) Look Hey Paul Sr they said a bike build off not a damn half tank,4 wheelerhalf snomobile Paul sr is a stupidass plain and simple I could go on for hrs on him but I’ll sum it up by this as soon as you got a taste of fame you lost your wife then out with your oldest son then came your other two sons your daughter prob didn’t want to come on the show much cause she didn’t want you to destroy what relation ship you had .now its Like this I ride myself I’ve riddden from daylight to dark in rain and in snow. Countless miles and just because Paul Jr isn’t a smartass or goes to the point to cover himself in tattoos or cheat 19 times on someone that would have my face tattooed on there body. I bet Jessie says she’s a dumbass to its all about opinions and if i pissed some people off then good. Your probably to stupid to actually think with that thing between your shoulders ,,,,its called a head,,,,has a thing called a brain most people use it for holding information other then thinking they are the greatest builders Lmao ok so I’m going to go now and i hope you stupid assess can get mad for explaining things to you .but its not that hard use the chain wallet to pull the Ford back home that has the tools in it that you use to clean up the oil leaks and tighten the bolts on that Harley your riding ohh here is a interesting fact I will leave you with. Harley riders are divote there self in belief that there are none better then Harley. Well they say Harley actually hold there value. Now why would I spend 30,000 on a old harley when I can get a new one that looks the same? Runs the same? Really are people that close minded? Or stupid? Is it live to ride ride to live ride to die live to eat ride to eat which one is it? Lmao honestly I have nothing against harly davidson its the judgemental a**holes I have pissed off right now at me cause they are that judgemental .the same people that cant see that bike builders and the public audience are different. And that is why Jessie wasnt named the best because how colorfull or how beautiful the end result of a product even though they can be the same in material .just think about it don’t be so quick to judge someone or somethinglet the facts talk or as vinnie said,,,,,,,,the proof is in the pudding!!!!!!!

No excuse. It was a competition the rules where simple. A bike, too be voted on by the masses. Artiskly Jr built a better more eye pleasing bike. Something fresh. I feel all this shit the bike builder is dead is crap. Look Jessie should have re-evaluated his position. I liked Jessie’s bike not my style. But after all if he expected the world too parse him for a bike that looks like a 1000 others. Hand made or not. Art Is always looking for the” new thing”. Jr was a “billboard” for Pjd.

I agree that Sr didn’t actually do any work on his, other than pay for the parts, but he at least treated it for what it was, a joke. I like parts of Jr’s bike, especially the handmade riveted gas tank. I like Jesse’s style, even though it didn’t look all that comfy, and looked pretty much like everything he’s ever built.

I agree with one of the previous posters: on all these build off shows, Indian Larry was always my favorite, for one reason. As he stated, his bikes were made to ride and handle well. No ridiculous rake, or 10′ long front end that takes 1/2 a mile to turn around. I miss watching him build bikes.

Ya know ONE of the Teutels are gonna win that thing! After all, it’s their show! (“American Crapper”) I don’t know why Senior even bothered entering his toy in a bike contest. And, I’m sorry if you don’t like my opinion, but you don’t have to be a prick to be a biker, and James has proven himself to be just that time and time again. As far as the actual bikes go, yeah, James should have won. Junior’s bike was a joke. I was very disappointed that the build-off scene has sunk to this level. Makes me want to go ride my own home-grown trike.

Bikes are built for riding and i saw only one bike for that just saying.

Hello everyone, I found what is called “The Bikers Creed”. The author is unknown so I can’t give an acknowledgment to the person that wrote it.
Enjoy

The Bikers Creed
Author: Unknown

I ride because it is fun. I ride because I enjoy the freedom I feel from being exposed to the elements, and the vulnerability to the danger that is intrinsic to riding.
I do not ride because it is fashionable to do so.
I ride my machine, not wear it. My machine is not a symbol of status. It exists simply for me, and me alone.
My machine is not a toy. It is an extension of my being, and I will treat it accordingly, with the same respect as I have for myself.
I strive to understand the inner-workings of my machine, from the most basic to the most complex. I learn everything I can about my machine, so that I am reliant upon no one but myself for its health and well-being.
I strive to constantly better my skill of control over my machine. I will learn it’s limits, and use my skill to become one with my machine so that we may keep each other alive. I am the master, it is the servant. Working together in harmony, we will become an invincible team.
I do not fear death. I will, however, do all possible to avoid death prematurely. Fear is the enemy, not death. Fear on the highway leads to death, therefore I will not let fear be my master. I will master it.
My machines will outlive me. Therefore, they are my legacy. I will care for them for future bikers to cherish as I have cherished them, whoever they may be.
I do not ride to gain attention, respect, or fear from those that do NOT ride, nor do I wish to intimidate or annoy them. For those that do not know me, all I wish from them is to ignore me. For those that desire to know me, I will share with them the truth of myself, so that they might understand me and not fear others like me.
I will never be the aggressor on the highway. However, should others fuck with me, their aggression will be dealt with in as severe manner as I can cast upon them.
I will show respect to other bikers more experienced or knowledgeable than I am. I will learn from them all I can. However, if my respect is not acknowledged or appreciated, it will end.
I will not show disrespect to other bikers less experienced or knowledgeable than I am. I will teach them what I can. However, if they show me disrespect, they will be bitch-slapped.
It will be my task to mentor new riders, that so desire, into the lifestyle of the biker, so that the breed shall continue. I shall instruct them, as I have been instructed by those before me. I shall preserve and honor traditions of bikers before me, and I will pass them on unaltered.
I will not judge other bikers on their choice of machine, their appearance, or their profession. I will judge them only on their conduct as bikers. I am proud of my accomplishments as a biker, though I will not flaunt them to others. If they ask, I will share them.
I will stand ready to help any other bikers that truly needs my help. I will never ask another biker to do for me what I can do for myself. I am not a part-time biker. I am a biker when, and where-ever I go. I am proud to be a biker, and hide my chosen lifestyle from no one. I ride because I love freedom, independence, and the movement of the ground beneath me. But most of all, I ride to better understand myself, my machine, the lands in which I ride, and to seek out and know other bikers like myself.
Author Unknown

bikes should be build to ride. Don’t sit on a floor to be looked at or taken picture of.

did jr. really win or was it a setup? after all it is his show, well half of it anyway.

I disagree, Jesse built a common chopper with know imagination. Same old stuff. Someone has to go out of the box with imagination and new ideas such as Paul Jr did. Jesse is very arrogant and totally contradicts himself all the time with his stupid sayings. He didn’t build everything on the bike, he didn’t do it all by himself. I can go 100mph down the road on my stock Harley. Big whoop. He says Pauly can not build a bike when Pauly has built plenty of bikes he can ride down the highway at 100mph. Jesse is just talking trash trying to get his fan base back after all his screwups. Jesses all talk.